Seth Meyers on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hey everyone, welcome to another episode

of Good Hang. I'm really excited uh

about our guest today. My old dear

friend Seth Meyers is joining us today.

And talking about friendship, Seth is

such a good friend and I talk to him

about what friendship means to him. I

try to guess his middle name and we get

tears, people. I get him crying more

than once. So, bingo. It's that kind of

episode. But uh before we get started,

we're always um trying to ask people who

know our guest to tell me questions to

ask them. And joining me from the Cayman

Islands on his vacation is the great

producer of Late Night with Seth Meyers

and ex producer at Saturday Night Live,

Mike Shoemaker. Shu, can you hear me?

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What do you say?

All I ever wanted was a really good

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hi. Hi. How are you? Oh my god. Where

are we talking to you from? Um, Grand

Cayman. The beach is over there. Now,

before we get into Seth Shu, when I

arrived at SNL in 2001, what was your

job? What was the what was your title? I

think I was producer. Mhm. I had, you

know, I was there already 15 years, so I

was, you know, I knew what I was doing.

Finally, I had had my thousand hours of

So, you didn't meet young [ __ ]

shoemaker. And how where did Young

Shoemaker get started at at SNL? How did

Young Shoemaker get his started script

PA? Uh my first job uh there was in 1986

which is a changeover cast Dana Victoria

Jan and um first thing was uh I came in

and the job was to take a a yellow legal

pad written script out of a bin and type

it up so that everyone could read it

because it's precomputers so big old

selector typewriters and I was actually

hired because I had typing skills um and

I could type fast and not make mistakes.

So the first thing was a church chat. So

I had to like read Dana's scroll with no

punctuation. I always read the scripts

first. Even when the time you were

there, I would put the read through

order in. So I got to read everything

before performance. So I got better at

understanding everyone's performance

style like the way like I could never

guess how Maya would pronounce a word

still to this day because she always

will change it. I cannot believe that

Dana Carvey wrote church chat on yellow

legal pad. Literally, you could not find

a period or a comma in it. Like, he

didn't know how to do them. Yeah. So, it

worked. It worked. I mean, so Shoemaker

was the guy and it still is the guy.

Like, kind of. You're You know, I I've

said this before publicly. You're the

best producer I've ever worked with. I

think you're an incredible producer. And

now, how long have you been working at

Late Night? Since the beginning. Uh,

yeah. So it's 11 years. What's that? 11

years in until I So Amy and I left the

same day basically. Yeah. She and I they

had a we had a combined goodbye party.

Yes. And it was that is called like my

surprise party because Amy set it up and

didn't want to call it courage, but it

was really ours. Now um I'm I'm talking

to Seth today. I'm almost worried that

I'm too relaxed.

You know what I mean? Because I feel not

at all nervous. I, you know, it is a

friendship that's so easy and we can

hang so easily that I I feel kind of

underprepared. I'm gonna try to poke him

a little bit with some things that'll

get him a little mad cuz he's it's a lot

of fun when Seth gets mad. It really is

fun. It is kind of the most fun. Well, I

I hope someday you come on as a guest

because I do want to continue to talk

about Amy. Amy, you have sponsors. Yeah,

that's true. Bill Simmons. Bill's never

going to No, there's no way he's going

to let you on. Those blue eyes would

turn black saying, "What are you booking

these [ __ ] people?" No one ever heard

of. Just keep going with it, famous

people. You're right. I'm sorry I even

said that. There's no way you're going

to be a guest. I mean, we literally just

had Michelle Obama. Like, we just had

Michelle Obama. Like, no offense you,

but Yeah. Yeah. Like, don't call us,

we'll call you. I mean, it's We're never

gonna get to you. Tell Bill that. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm sorry, Bill. I even mentioned

it. Um, but um Okay. So what do you

think I should be what would you want to

hear me ask Seth today? What do you

think we should talk about? Anything big

or small? So the question that I want

you to ask is that I think the reason

that we all became a unit is because um

you and I saw him first and by that I

mean he felt seen by us before everyone

else there did. I think that's accurate

because you had you were kind of famous

and I was a producer there 15 years but

he was like a feature player that you

don't necessarily invest in in the first

year because you don't know what's going

to happen but we did. So we were the

first people that he felt seen by so my

question would be what does he think we

saw? What does he think that we saw in

him? What a great question. as early

investors to the Seth Meers Corporation.

What does he think we saw in him? He is

going to have That's a deep question,

dude. He He might have He might turn

into sand like when he has to He might

just turn into a thousand crows and fly

away.

Like that just might be dirt. That might

be what also, you know, he's a talk show

host. So like compliments he like when

people come on and compliment him he has

to end it and turn it around. So he will

like say nice things about us and say

like we were perceptive. Now you should

allow that and don't don't edit that out

but

but also like put it on fire. Make him

say like what qualities did he have

because I think that will be a nice

thing to hear out of him because he

doesn't talk nicely about himself. I

know. Uh I think uh I think Seth is

probably least comfortable talking about

himself and I I relate. I relate. I I

would much rather talk about No, it's

hard to get you to do it, too. Yeah. Say

something nice about yourself now. Yeah.

Uh well, I have a fantastic fake food

collection in my podcast. I know. I seen

it. It looks great. And you know, I um I

collected it. That's all I That's all I

can think of. Well, Shu, I love that

you're taking a vacation. You worked too

hard. Congratulations on 11 years. We

got to celebrate the 10 years together,

which was great. I mean, I hope you do

10 more. You think you'll do 10 more? I

don't know. I don't know. What's TV?

What's the world? I don't know. I don't

know. It'll be It'll be like this maybe.

Is this TV? This is TV. TV where I talk

to you in a over over there and then But

you listen to Yeah. Right. That's how it

works. That's TV. All right. I love you.

Thank you so much and thank you

Catherine and Mike for setting Mike up

on this and doing they're ready on the

beach. Great. Okay, go to the beach.

Thank you so much for I love you so

much. I'll see you very soon. Okay, bye.

All right, bye.

For those listening, Seth's already

giving us a time where he needs to be

out. He needs to be out by 12. I don't

feel like you respect other people's

schedules. I mean, I feel like before

we've even started, Seth told me, "How

long asked how long is this going to

go?" Oh, glasses. Well, hello. Same

kind. Pretty pretty similar. Whoa,

that's weird. You get tortoise. Show. I

tortoise. Of course. I am going to wipe

my glasses on my pants. Um, when did you

start wearing glasses? Within like the

last 6 months. Really? You waited? You

were that I did a great job. And I

I think it's easier to do crack cocaine

once than wear reading glasses once. You

know what I mean? The minute you put

them on forever. I wore I put them on

for like two seconds. What's your

prescription? Just a one5. Yeah. What

are you? Try a two and you're you're I

don't But no, I don't want to try two.

What? Cuz go back. But just try it. See

how much better everything looks with

it, too. I mean, that's really good.

Yeah. Let me try your ones. I'm I'm not

even going to feel those. See, it

immediately immediately busted. I wish.

Um,

this is actually not so bad. I can see

this pretty well. Don't do it. Go back.

Yeah, maybe I should go back. Maybe I'm

partying too hard. listen to your

podcast on now that you're a podcaster.

Do you feel like that's an unfair

question? Thanks for calling me that. Um

and and you really are a podcaster.

Yeah, you do too. Mhm. Um what do I

listen to my podcast? Yeah, just I once

said to a podcaster Yeah. that I listen

to them at 1.5 and they were hurt. Oh,

you mean fast? I I never speed up. What?

You listen to podcasts slower? You slow

it down? I slow it. No, I listen

regular. I never speed up. Oh,

interesting. Sometimes I'll do the

10second skip like if if like a podcast

gets like gross or something or if I

know, you know, like what are you

listening to?

What the podcast gets gross for 10

seconds? This is my interview. We are

with Seth Myers and he's already asking

me questions. And Seth, I'm realizing

you're we're sitting the way we used to

sit at Update. It is. It's our update

position. And you also were sitting the

way you usually sit on your show. I'm

very

grateful that it's this. You in Well,

your people insisted on it, did they?

No. No. No. Um, but I I feel very

strongly about having a good side. Okay.

Thank you for saying that. Um, a few

people that have noticed that I've

switched to another side. I started the

first couple of podcasts on that side.

That's what that's why I thought you

maybe did this for me. And I I did it

for me because I feel like I have a good

side and it's this side and you like

that side. I like this side. And if

anybody wants to see our bad side, they

can look at the Entertainment Weekly

cover we did,

which is the worst photograph of either

of us. Yeah. It was shot with a fisheye

lens. I think they did us dirty and I

was pulling your tie like and it was

like And it was like, would you like to

see two asymmetrical faces look even

weirder with this lens? And I was so

excited. That was a time in my life. I

was so excited. We were on the cover of

Entertainment Weekly. Yeah. And then I

saw it and I felt unexited. I don't

think there's been many photo shoots in

my life where I've seen it and thought

nailed it. I don't think I've I could

maybe count them on my hand. I feel very

strongly think we have in common is we

have great faces that as long as they're

moving, got to keep moving. Got to keep

moving. But once they stop, there's no

good freeze frame as a whole. Yeah. No.

Yeah. Um, in fact, I used to when we

used to do photo shoots and they'd say

like, "Don't worry, we're going to just

do like a light retouch." I would say,

"Light ret eyes and a mouth. That's all

I want to see." Yeah. I don't want I

want the heaviest retouching you could

ever do. Yeah. Don't feel like you're

doing me a courtesy of being like, "We

barely touched it." I'm like, "Go nuts.

Get your best touch guy in here. You're

the wand and the like I know there's a

there's a thing now of like being

natural like don't retouch but I'm

against that 100%. If you want to see

the real thing come see the real thing

but otherwise you're getting the retouch

version. If you're asking me to stay

still then we need to paint over change

my nose and everything. No, but I feel

like we've done a lot of photo shoots

together over the years and I bet you

get what I get what a lot of people get

which is they really want you to be

funny. Yeah. And they want you to do

funny things. Yeah. I had a

heartbreaking GQ photo shoot where first

I walked in and the photographer uh oh

didn't know who I was

for the GQ comedy issue. So that was

that put me in a headsp space where I

was maybe felt as though a mistake had

been made. Yikes. And then I remember

they had wanted I think it was whipped

cream like whipped cream from the like

and they wanted to spray it all over my

face and the amount I had to say like

you know this will just look like bad.

Yeah. You know what this also looks like

on a on a face and they were like oh

it's funny they used to want to put a

lot of weird stuff on my face too. One

time a guy was like I have an idea where

your hands are covered in barbecue sauce

and you have barbecue sauce all over

your face. And I was like, "Okay,

it is by the way like people who get

talked into like a young in their life

like a like maybe a a pornographic photo

shoot." Yeah. Very easy. Could have

happened to me in a heartbeat. If

anybody had ever shown a mod of common

interest in that. Yes, absolutely. I

would have been 100%. And I think the

same thing happened to you that happened

to you where you'd go to a photo shoot

and it was like you'd turn the corner

and there'd be a table of rubber

chickens and clown noses and giant props

and you'd just be like, "Oh god, I'm

such I'm I'm I'm Yeah, I'm being pimped

out." Yeah. Yeah. And I feel as though

they should save those for the dramatic

actors and just let us look nice for

once. I completely agree. Okay. Seth

Meyers. Seth.

Kevin Myers. What's your name? What's

your Oh, let me get I don't know it. You

don't have to. Seth. Hold on. Get it.

Seth.

Do you want Myers? How many hints do you

want? I'm going to get it. Seth. Michael

Myers. You want You're going to get it

without hints.

How lucky they I know your family. I

know your family. Seth David Myers. No.

Oh, Seth. Again, there's hints. All

right. Give me a hint. It's an a name.

Oh, Seth Alexander Myers. Seth Andrew

Myers. No. I was so worried because I

know these are only an hour and I

thought, "Oh, I think it's going to go

by so fast." And now I'm so happy we're

not going to cut this out. Seth Albert.

No. Oh, that's your dog. Family dog's

name. By the way, my dad, you know, for

those not in the know, we've had six old

English sheep dogs. They've all been

named Albert. And then, uh, when we

started giving all our kids a names, my

dad was very, he admitted he was

hopeful. We were going to also name a

kid Albert and I said, "No, I think you

took it away." Yeah. If all the dogs

hadn't been named Albert, there was a

chance, but like we weren't going to

name our kid after a living dog.

Okay, one last guess. Uh,

don't cut this out. Don't cut the No,

this is good. People would like this is

good for for Especially because I think

people were tuning in being like, you

know what, I can't wait cuz they know

each other so well. They've been friends

for so long. And then what they get to

do is listen to you just without hints

try to guess my middle name. Um, uh, my

last guess is Seth America Myers. That

is what I do like to I that's what I

answer to. That's my full email. Uh,

Adam. Adam. Sure. That makes sense.

Okay. Seth Adam Myers, when did we first

meet? Well, I remember the first time we

met probably better than you remember

the first time we met, which is I was at

IO improve. Improv Olympic. Yeah. And uh

there was a Herald show. Mhm. Which is a

improv show and there used to be two

different teams and there would in the

middle there would be the dream. Yes.

That's what you want. Which was an

improvised game where somebody from the

audience would come up, somebody on

stage would interview them about their

day and then the two improv

teams would improvise what their dream

would look like. And I came up on stage

and you interviewed me and it was not

during a show with me and Tina. It was I

also saw the show with you and Tina. You

saw it? Okay. Right. But we didn't call

you up, right? So I interviewed about

you about your day and we did not know

each other. We did not know each other.

I was a fan of yours and it was very

exciting to get interviewed by you. Then

the next time the next time we spoke was

after we both got hired. Do you believe

in the simulation? Do you believe that

like there's some kind of universal

thing where like basically that people

come in and out of your life in

different ways and you didn't really I

do a little bit. Yeah. Me too because

that's a very simulation thing. Can I

tell you though something? Yesterday I

got the same Uber driver on backtoback

days in Giant City Los Angeles.

And I got in the car and I was like,

"Can you believe this?" And it meant

nothing to him. And I was so I It was so

disappointing. Yeah. Did you What's his

name? Well, that was a thing. Oh, you

didn't even find out. No, I know. That's

why I remembered. His name was Mush.

Mush. M U S H. So, I might be saying it

wrong, but like Wow. So, that's one of

the reasons I was like, you can't there

can't be two, right? And I was like,

hey, Mush, I'm back. You said I'm back.

Yeah, it did feel like a curb episode

where I was a very frustrated Larry

David like mush. Hey, remember me? And

he's like, "No, I'm just trying to get

you to the Grove." Yeah. Okay. So, we

And then the dream happened. We

improvised your day. Y cut to you and I

starting at the same time at SNL. People

People may not know this, but we were

both there post 911 and our first show

was two weeks after it and there was

like a very interesting We were part of

a a freshman class. It was four people

got hired. Yeah. It was who was it? Dean

Edwards. Yep. Jeff Richards. Yeah. You

and I. Yeah. And then for writers,

Spivey. Emily Spivey. Max Brooks. Yes.

Charlie Grandandy started with us. Yeah.

And we all kind of came in together and

we kind of met in Shoemakaker's office

as a lot of young young new people did

to like kind of get the lay of the land.

But I think we might have like met each

I don't Yes. I'm going to say something

and hopefully I won't

get too emotional saying it, but I

remember like getting hired at SNL was

already cry cry. Oh my god, sounds I'm

gonna put on my glasses. This will make

it. No, but like I remember getting

hired at SNL was like already like but

they said and Amy Polar also got hired

and I was like, "Oh, I felt even

elevated that I was like, "Oh, I'm in

Amy Polar's class." You know what I

mean? Yeah. For those that can't see,

Seth has tears in his eyes. I don't

think I do, but I feel You almost cried.

You're such a crier. Oh, I'm such a

crier. You love to cry any I love to

cry. I'm going to make you cry. I I I

also only cry historically about stuff

that makes me happy.

Say more. What do you mean? Well, like I

don't think I cry a lot when I'm sad.

When you're sad? Yeah. Well, like I know

a lot of people are like, "God forbid

you express how you feel when you're

sad." No, when I'm sad I think it's like

turn into a rock. Like Yeah. Little rock

little rock guy. Little rock guy that

everybody loves loves the company of

rock man.

Okay. So, we started SNL the same time.

Y and speaking of that time,

um, you know, I Okay, I love your

podcast. I've told you this. I've been

on them. I've participated in them. You

do family trips with the great Josh

Meyers, your brother and partner on that

podcast. And you do, what's it called?

Seth, the Seth Myers, the Lonely Island,

and Seth Myers. Seth Myers podcast. It

was only fair to put them first as we're

really only talking about their look.

Well, but and that podcast is

incredible. It's a joy. It's so good. I

want to talk to you about it. But that

but on both of them, you have like as

I've listened, you slowly un like I've

learned something about you that I don't

think I really took in, which was those

early years were harder for you than I

thought.

They were so hard. I know. Crying was so

But I would have guessed the two people

who knew the most would have been you

and Shoemaker. So, I am but I will say I

am happy that I kept it hidden the way

that I did cuz I don't I I don't think

like um

when you present the feelings that I was

having at SNL I think that that is not a

a vibe that people want to like be

around. Right. And it and it is it can

become like a little bit of a

self-fulfilling prophecy. So, what was

the vibe then if you were to distill it

down? What was the feeling then? I just

felt as though they'd made a terrible

mistake, right? Like just full imposttor

syndrome. And I showed up and pretty

quickly, I think, you know, to go back

to what I said, like I was so excited,

you know, oh my god, I'm they're hiring

me at the same time as Amy Polar. And

then you walk down the hallway and

you're like, oh my god, I'm in the same

show as Will Frell and and Chris Katan

and Tracy Morgan and you're like, look,

I'm one of them. And then you realize

like no, like you then have to like do

the work and show that you're, you know,

at the same level. And those early years

as well, I just had that sense of I can

write for this show, but like I don't

know if they actually like need what I

bring as a performer to this show. And I

don't feel like I was being hard on

myself either. There was a there were a

lot of guys in your time like a lot of

Well, in the early days it was it felt

as though I could see the road ahead of

me cuz I forgot that thing which is when

people like Will Ferrell and Jimmy

Fallon leave Katan that doesn't mean

like you get their parts because they

also hire people behind you. And that

was for me the real crisis of confidence

was and again you know I say this these

are dear friends these are people I'm

huge fans of but like when like Sedakas

and Samberg and Fred and Will and Hater

rolled through. Yeah. And I would be

writing sketches

knowing that if I was not a cast member

I would not write for me. Like if if it

wasn't my job to take care of myself and

I just wanted my sketch to air I would

be my sixth choice too. So I, you know,

early on I kind of wanted to like blame

the writing staff for not putting me in

things and I'm like, "Oh, I mean you if

you have this toolbox at your disposal,

I understand that." Well, I think that's

what's so wonderful about you and also

what can be painful is you're not you're

not a really you're not a diluted

person. No, you do not you don't have

the like warm bath of delusion, right?

That some people are like, "Ah, you are

a very realistic person." So, you're

able to look at things very

realistically and be like, "I have to

figure this out." Yes. And I did feel

that vibe. Okay. So, we do this thing on

our show where we ask people uh

beforehand um to um give me questions

for the guest. So, I talked to

Shoemaker. Okay. Good. Good pick. Yeah,

of course. I knew I would like He is

technically your It would have been so

funny was like I I'm a little tired of

talking about Seth. He's in the Cayman

Islands right now. So, we got him when

he was on vacation and um I by the way

called him on the way here. He just

texted me and said, I'm ghosting Seth,

so tell me when you're done. He didn't

fully ghosted me. Yeah. He said, "I'm

not picking up." And then I was like,

"Oh, well, he's" And then when you said

you were talking to him, like obviously

you called him before he was in the

Cayman Islands. But no, no, he just

picked up purely ghosted you. I mean,

and you two are like in another life.

You are brothers in arms. You are each

other, you know, like if you believe in

I mean, I'm pretty good with what we are

in this life. I think it's I mean, he is

as close as I could be to a a person.

Yeah. you have an amazing friendship and

he has he gave me a question to ask you

that I love so much is the best question

of course cuz Shoemaker is such a good

producer and and writer and friend but

he gave me I think the best question

I've been given yet now I've only done

like six episodes so um but um but he

did while he was on with you did the

doorbell ring and did a thousand dogs

bark thank you again for doing that by

the way I owe all of you a lot. I mean,

I owe Dra like half of this the money. I

feel like it's the movie I've been in

that I get the most feedback on.

I think that like that's 60 seconds. The

amount in the last month people been

like, "Oh my god, I can't stop watching

the clip." I can't either. I where

Drach's headphones tangle and then the

doorbell rings. It's like watching a

oneperson show. It is. It is like

watching a like a Broadway like a a

clown on stage like a farce. It's like

somebody said do noises off in a minute

just you. And people don't know we cut

so much out of that because Dra couldn't

get her headphones truly untangled for

minutes and then couldn't figure out how

to plug it in and then they weren't

working and then the doorbell rang. So

we cut a lot out. Yeah. And then her

laptop died. She was carrying around

like a a pizza box around her whole

apartment. And thank God for you because

you were the only one that was trying to

keep it going cuz Fred Fred's just

watching. Oh yeah, Fred. Zo was was on

set I think so she could barely hear and

you were like so how's it going Amy? I

was like it's going good. I think it's

going good so far. Oh Dr. Um, okay. But

Shu, nice try trying to, um, fake me out

so that I don't ask you this question.

But, um, uh, Shu said, "Let me ask you

this, which is

I would agree that in those early years,

him and I saw something in you.

We kind of invested early in the Seth

Meyers Corporation.

What do you Oh my god, I'm getting him

to cry. Oh my god, you guys. I wish we

could zoom in.

This is my dream come true. I'm getting

you to cry. Okay. There's so many. This

is specific kink that people are This

is, you know, people are going to This

is like a kink.

Okay. Wait, wait, wait. We have tissues.

We have tissues. Where are they, Sam? Oh

my god. Thank you, Sam.

[Music]

You've connected. You've connected. Oh

my god. This is what the show's always.

If you have this, this is what this is a

trap. I just want to remind you we only

have a few minutes left with our session

and everyone else. All it is with Jack

Black is like your joy.

Talking to Ike about restaurants.

[Laughter]

What is going everything? Is this not

even a podcast? This is like the just s

six fake episode traps. If you look past

the camera, there's a bunch of friends

and family that love you and want to

talk to you about something. Oh my god.

We just think you need to get some help.

And we we just using this opportunity.

Okay. What's the help here? And if you

need to squeeze this cheeseburger, you

can.

This will help. What is it? What? What

do you mean? What is You know, this is

all fake food. What? What is this

podcast? I've listened to every episode.

I have a real sense of it. I'm like,

it's food based.

Okay. Okay. If you get nervous, just

talk just talk into the talk into these

bananas. Okay.

But what do you think Shoemaker and I

what do you think we saw in you? I this

is very un I feel again this is very

unfair. Um I don't

I don't know. I mean like to be honest

like

one of the things that I feel most

grateful for is I don't know. M I didn't

see it. Yeah.

So, um I know to this day like I don't

make it on that show without you guys. I

And I think that uh

I was very lucky that Lauren

saw me through your eyes and she's eyes

because I don't know if I you know what

again like I don't feel like um I feel

like Lauren has been uh is is obviously

a fan of mine now and has a lot of faith

in me but like that can I think you're

okay. He thinks you're fine. Is this

where is this a quote? He sent me a I

said I'm I'm interviewing Seth today and

he went, "Oh, Seth's fine. He's okay."

That's what he said. Did you

The Lauren gave a quote in the New York

Times about me. Yeah, please say it

again. It's so good. Genuine like two

quotes that are like insanely It's all I

heard from everybody in our world was

how [ __ ] funny the Lauren quotes

were. One was I love Seth or I care for

him or whatever it is you're allowed to

say these days,

which is the it's the funniest. I'm like

I think you misunderstand whatever you

think woke is, you're allowed to say you

love a male friend.

Like he's like I love you like

backtracked like he's like I want to get

cancelled.

I don't want to get caught loving loving

my friend. And then the the reporter was

like Seth's really good at it. I I think

Seth's a really gifted impressionist and

he's like I don't know if I'd go that

far

and I believe he said I think he's fine

which is the best the best gifted was a

little over the top. Yeah. So um when we

did update together which was so fun in

so in a million different ways and there

was like when I think about us being at

the desk together I think of two things.

One I had ease because I had gotten to

do with Tina like I just genuinely felt

a little more relaxed. I was so um

trying to figure out how to do this

thing when I was doing it with Tina who

had done it with Jim. Like we it was

like this passing. But what we also got

to do to got to do together in real time

was like figure out how we were going to

do it together. Yeah. and the way in

which we're going to do it and because

you and Shoemaker and and you know

previously like Mike Sher and Alex Bass

you know I was right like the team was

so strong of update writers and people

it just felt like you were in a club

within a club you were on SNL but then

you also got another secret key

and I know we talked about it being on

update you could relax that you were

actually going to be on the show yeah

that made such a difference. We talked

about this recently, I think, in the

Lonely Island pod, but I remember Andy

wrote this sketch called That'll Move

the Chains where he was a kid in and uh

like in the booth of a football game and

he kept saying that'll move the chains

and it worked. It was fine. Uh it was

very funny. I'm I'm underelling it. But

then he came in my office like a month

later. He goes, "I think we're going to

write another that'll move the chains."

And I said, "Another?" Cuz it just

struck me It didn't strike me as a

recurring character. Yeah. And I just

said another. And he goes, "Not

everybody has update every week." I was

like, "All right." Like when you Cuz

again, I got to go from that thing of

like desperately fighting to find a way

to have a reason to get into hair and

makeup on Saturday to having update.

Yes. And then also you got to say your

name. Got to say my name. Obviously not

my middle name. Nope. Never saw your

name. Never said your middle name. Can I

I feel like the most

uh tense

our

uh uh chemistry I ever had was uh

mornings update mornings bagel times.

Yeah, cuz someone had pre-split the

jokes and then there were a few like

left over that we both wanted and I feel

like there was a real dance of

interesting. I would say that I thought

I would have hidden that but that's

probably true. I think we were like are

you going to take that joke? Yeah. M hm

I wonder who takes the good joke here.

Um my here's how I saw it from you. It's

like hm that feels like a Amy joke.

Do you want it? I'm like and I be and

I'd be like I mean I would love it. It

would mean a lot to me as a friend. I'm

asking for it. You're like it's a real

Amy joke. I just feel like it's going to

kind of flop. And then I would go I hex

this joke. I would hex it. Yeah. You

would hex it. I would I curse you and I

curse you. And when I when if I the few

times you let me have it, you would be

off camera while I was telling it going

thumbs down. Um I don't remember us ever

fighting at all. That was it. It was

just that like where we did we did

argue. I would say that one of the

things like I don't think we ever got

into a we never were but we like to I

mean look really came out of that right

like this. We like to be frustrated and

irritated and I don't mind being

frustrated and irritated with people

that I'm close to. That is like a way of

My favorite thing is when you and I feel

very differently about a movie or a TV

show. Yeah. Like that when we have

different opinions about something cuz

it's very fun when you're mad about

something. Okay. So, with that in mind,

I'm going to give you a couple of

things. I want to know your opinion on

it. Okay.

The beach. Oh, I'm not a huge fan. I'm

coming around on the beach just because

my kids like it, but given a choice, it

would be one of the last places I would

be. What do you What do you not like

about it? What are you going to do there

that wouldn't be better anywhere else?

Like see the ocean. See the ocean, but

like you can see the ocean from uh like

a porch somewhere, right? Like there's

there's a lot of vantage points on the

ocean that are not in sand. You don't

like the sand. Like you have a sensory

thing. I It's just Here's the thing. I

everybody wants to go to the beach, then

I go to the beach and then they're like,

"Get the sand off." Like the amount

they're like, "Don't get sand in the

car." I'm like, "I didn't even want to

come here."

You know what I mean? Like I was so

happy. You could have left me where I

was. The sand would never have been a

problem. Mhm. So no. I love the beach

and that's where we disagree. I

no interest. No. Yeah. Have you? No.

Yeah. I that one feels like the combo of

I always feel like there's a white

bucket around that people are puking in

and I'm always like first of all let's I

don't know decorate the buckets or

something like it just feels so weird to

not decorate the buckets like it just

seems like very stressful. Can I say

that I think you might be the only

person to have this bounce on Iaska is

that they don't decorate the buckets the

buckets and also other people. Yeah. I

mean, I guess maybe, but like maybe if I

could do it if I had like a IKA guy,

like a private guy, but it seems like

you have to do it with a bunch of other

people. There's also I feel like I've

known a few people who've done it and

they tell you it's changed their life

and then you like talk to them three

months later and they seem a lot like

they were before. They bounce right

back. They bounce right back to it.

Turns out once the IASK is out of their

system, how do you feel about getting

older? Um,

that's a good question. I turned 50 last

year. Congrats. And thank you. I turned

51 this year. So I'm You didn't

celebrate prop. I like it's Look, I'm in

that dead no bars sell service December

28th. There's no room for somebody like

me to have a birthday and I'm fine with

it. It's been my whole life. Why don't

you have a birthday like like a half

birthday when you're 51 or something? I

know that's even as I said it sounds so

stupid. We all got that invite. be like

a Okay, he lost his mind. Um, I felt

totally fine turning 50, but then I

think part of it was because it was 50,

I was like taking stock and I'm like

this is, you know what, I would be very

happy if I knew all these things were

going to happen to me by the time it's

50, this is really good. With that said,

like I think

the as it's like 51 and a half or

whatever it is now, I'm like, h, yeah,

no, I don't dig this as much. Here's

that thing that happened to me the other

day. Stop pointing.

Seth's pointing at me.

Don't point my French bread at me. Um,

had a dream that I was being chased and

had to I was crawling through one of

those transom windows over a door, you

know, and then I uh woke up, my neck

hurt and I was like I that's I've

officially I hurt myself from a dream

because I was trying to crawl through

it. You pulled your neck in a dream. I

pulled my like what happened? It's like

well in my dream what kind of sleeper

are you? Do you like do you fall asleep

fast? I do. And then do you sleep

through the night and do you snore? I uh

we've uh we're now wearing mouth tape.

Okay. I want to talk about mouth tape. I

talked about CPAP with um Jack. Yeah.

Black. Um I would like to switch to

mouth tape. Sorry. I don't want to

abandon my CPAP people.

My CPAP army. Um I'm sure they're out

there right now. Are you my

Capp? But I would love to get to a

mouth. You're a pap. I'm a pal. Yeah, of

course I'm not an animal. Um, but I'd

like to get to a mouth tape and I have

tried a mouth tape. Okay. Uh, I'm a

little worried about I'm hooked on the

moisture that I get from my CPAP. You

know, you get like um like moist air.

It's really nice for the nose. Yeah. You

don't get that with mouth tape. No. What

kind of mouth tape are you using? You

could I mean, you have a giant staff.

What if one of them just stood over the

bed with a little spray bottle and just

I mean so many because when I see your

staff and I'm polite to them by the way

which they seem to really appreciate and

they very much appreciate it but there a

lot of them are like we feel like

there's not enough for us to do. Well no

you know I I like to have them work on

the holidays and you always wish them a

merry Christmas and I appreciate that.

Um you're allowed to again you're

allowed to wish say merry Christmas.

It's really nice. Um what was I gonna

say? Oh. So, yeah, I was shocked cuz I

do have a hard time breathing through my

nose. I feel like I'm I've been stuffed

up like almost the entirety of my life.

And yet, when you tape, I think it kind

of forces you to like early in the

night, you're just like breathing

through your nose. You're keeping the

airways open. I'm a big fan of it. I'm

I'm thinking about switching over to

tape. Now, I should say, and I hope this

won't disabuse you of making a switch.

One night a week, I wake up at 3 in the

morning and do this.

So, if that sounds jarring

to you or whoever might be in the room,

that would be good for a commercial for

mouth tape. By the way, do you cuz you

mentioned butt tape uh with Jack Black.

Do you remember the the uh Fred's

breathing rate? Oh, wait. You mentioned

it on um I must it must have been in my

You guys just mentioned it on your

podcast. Really? Tell people for what

they for those that didn't hear. It was

a Breathe right strip. It was a Fred

commercial parody. It was a breath right

strip uh for your butt that would pull

the way because breathe right pulls the

nose apart to make it easier to breathe.

And so this pulled the butt apart so

that when you pass gas it wouldn't be

loud and it wouldn't wake up the person

in bed with you. But it has the best tag

because it's the the it's him in bed

with wig and it's quiet. You just hear

like

but then she still goes what's that

smell? cuz it doesn't doesn't get rid of

the smell. Just doesn't make noise

anymore. And I remember her being

disgusted by that. Yeah. Really good.

Really good. Disgusted wig. Okay. What

about uh what people do at airports that

drive me nuts? What do people Well, like

let me ask you this. What time do you

arrive for a flight? I

lot of cushion. Mhm. For the pushing.

Lot of Sorry.

Sorry.

This is I feel like you don't even care.

I feel like this was another trap.

Uh I Yeah, we get there very early. We

never check Never check it. Absolutely

not. It's kind of stunning. Um you can

board Hey, you have young kids, so you

can board. Yeah. Although we That's such

a scam. By the way, we are now out well

outside the zone of what they mean by if

you're boarding with a young family.

That's not true. Your kids are still

young enough. I think they I think they

mean toddlers.

Oh, wait. Cuz your youngest is how Addy

is three and a half. No, I I I would say

as a judgmental person at the airport, I

would not mind that. And I think

everybody realizes, it is better for us

to get on first.

I don't know.

Sure. I mean, I I think that's a little

bit obsc

with young children, but you're right.

When I had young children, it was nice

to be able to have It's also nice for

everybody else. I'm just saying like if

if they let you on before the boarding

starts and and our maniacs are in their

seats, but I know you can be kind of

hypervigilant like I am about when

people are doing stuff wrong or getting

it wrong or whatever. And I feel like

the airport is the ultimate version of

that. Yeah. Like every single

interaction is about power struggle and

like at least for me figuring out how I

can be more efficient next time and

hoping other people will follow suit and

just like trying to practice my system

in a place where everybody has their own

system. The worst mistake I made, I took

just Axel to visit my parents and we

went to the airport and Axel just who's

the most

unique of my kids. He just ran full

speed and just slid across the airport

floor and I made the mistake of laughing

and now he does it and it's it's that

bummer of I'm so sure the next time he

does it when we're with the whole family

Alexa will be like as you should cuz

they're filthy floors like don't do that

and he'll be like daddy liked it. Daddy

liked it. Yeah, I know. It's But that

sounds like sounds like a great move.

It's a He kind of without ever seeing an

old Did he end in like That's what I

mean. Without seeing an old break

dancing video, he really ends. He ended

with his with his head in his hands.

Yeah. The kid's funny kid. He's a funny

kid. He is a funny kid.

Okay. Speaking of funny, you're doing

you're performing with Oliver, John

Oliver. How do you like doing a show

with him and with somebody else? Like

you you stand up, you love it. So, well,

first of all, I really uh like John as a

person. And so, we have a friendship

where we would never see each other

socially. And so, just because of our

schedules and now we get to hang out

once a month, like one Sunday a month,

we like hang out and we get there for

soundcheck and then we have like an hour

uh to talk, which is great. And Brooks

Wheelen, who used to be on SNL, is our

opener. So, the three of us have a very

uh lovely relationship. The other thing

is, especially now because I had a

special come out and so I'm doing new

material and it's lovely to know that

the audience is getting John as well.

Well, I mean, I've never I never met

John. He seems lovely. I can I say

something? I feel like so few people

have both notes and the laptop.

You know what?

Okay, a couple things. Um, the laptop is

a uh is a prop. Yeah, this isn't made

out of chocolate. This is edible. When

it's over. So, Bill Simmons asked me

about the laptop and he was like, "Do

you need it?" And the reason why I like

the laptop is because I feel like I can

look things up very slowly, right? And

you know, and I can find things on here

that like for example, I can use this

laptop to Seth. What are you watching,

listening to? What do you where do you

go to escape? What do you do? Do you

watch something? Do you like the world

is on fire. Everything feels intense.

This podcast for me is an attempt to

just like try to connect in a fun dumb

way. What do you watch, do, see? I'm

going to answer your question and I'm

going to get on the laptop. Great. And

and for those that are listening, listen

to this.

But I want to say

so you got that from an old submarine.

I don't know why it's making that noise.

So wait, and that tells you where the

nearest submarine is.

I'm tracking my submarine.

This is I'm very excited about what's

happening right now with this podcast.

Thank you. No, but I think it's the

purest form of you. Thanks. From the

perspective of people who know you. Like

I you've like you've done great like

work everywhere. But like the amount of

people who said to me like, "Oh my god,

is she really like that?" Like people

love this so much. And it's such a joy

to be like, "Yes, this this podcast is

pure polar." Thank you for saying you

Leslie Nope's the best but like you're

cooler than Leslie do and well Leslie

work Leslie is harder a harder worker

than I am and she's less because you

have complained a lot to me about how

hard it is to do a podcast already and

you're like seven episodes in so tiring

like I'm literally exhausted Leslie Nope

would never never do five a day um she's

such a good listener too I think that's

why and so I'm very I think that this is

uh you know again that your skills as a

listener on full display and you're the

best audience. Like you've always been

such a good audience. Thanks, dude. I

feel the same way about you. I think

this is why your show is such an

incredible triumph is you are very very

good at making people feel like they're

being heard and you enjoy a good time.

Those two things are not like you need

those two things in a host and I love

people being the if anything you do to

facilitate them being the best version

of themselves is a a joy. But do you

ever feel when you're doing interviews

like do you ever check out and you like

oh [ __ ] I haven't been listening? No. I

think I take that part. So you do? Yeah.

I think the worst thing

my nightmare is um Yeah. I've been there

a couple times already. Really? Where

I've been thinking I've been future

tripping in my head about what I'm going

to say next and then someone's talking

and I'm like uhoh. Yeah. I didn't listen

to what they said. Yeah. So I think I

Yeah. Did you feel it at all? Well,

there were two times where people said a

really sad thing and you said, "Haha,

that's hilarious." Yeah. Like, I mean, I

said, "Lol, the Reddit the Reddit page

of this podcast is already like, "Oh my

god, she did it again." LOL. And then I

said, "Lots of love. Lots of love."

It is the save you. It's funny cuz you

both times thought you saved it and

everybody, what did you just see on your

You just My laptop is at the low

battery. It's about to run out. It's at

the lowest red line. I think obviously

the uh it took a lot of battery to make

that sound those sound effects.

That's just sucking that's sucking the

battery right out of that thing. So what

do you look at? I you know what I like

uh we we mentioned British people

pointing again. I like uh watching

British people break. Oo. Um there's

that like Jimmy Carr show. There's like

a panel show. I think it's called eight

out of 10 Cats. I've never watched a

full episode, but I keep getting served.

um like short clips of like um like

British panelists making other British

panelists laugh. I just like watching

British people break. I feel like See,

you're not better than us. You are such

you're such an angoplile. Yeah, you

really are. You You love Brits. I do.

So, you like people trying not to laugh

or just like those panel shows. Yeah. I

I mean in general I like you know it's

like watching an old Carol Brunette clip

but I do like corpse but I feel like

British people try really hard not to

break so when they break it I don't know

I I it brings me more satisfaction. Okay

so I have one last question s that's it.

I mean this has been just lovely has it?

Well you know what though? I do want to

talk to you about your podcast because

that podcast is one of my favorites. I

love those Lonely Island men boy man

boys. Man boys man boys. They were so

important to all of us. Yeah, they I

love the like memory lane that you guys

go down. But what is so funny to me

still is the way that everybody is

themselves on that podcast. Like the way

in which everybody shows up to it,

participates in it, what they remember,

how you guys interact with each other.

Like what is it like doing that with

them? It's so fun because

one, I love them so much and I can't

remember the last time all four of us

talked together or even had a meal

together. Yeah. And I've been saying

like, you know, there's so much written

about like how as men get older, they

have no friendships. So, you got to

start a podcast to all lonely men. Start

a podcast. Well, I think every man has

done that cuz every single podcast I see

is just filled with lonely men trying to

make friends. True story. During the

pandemic,

you remember my friend Doug Stradley?

Stradley. Straley the best. And Stradley

and I are in a fantasy football league.

We did a weekly podcast just about the

fantasy football league. Wow. That the

other 10 guys would listen to. That was

what we were doing during the pandemic.

And it was like and then when I started

doing professional podcasts, I had to

stop that one. And like to those 10

guys, they're like, "It's I mean, we

totally get it. You're doing real

podcast now, but man, we missed the we

missed the Straley podcast." Do you have

a lot of old college friends? I'm very I

got a good and you know improv friends

like I feel very lucky. Well, it's not

just lux. Yeah, I put a lot of work into

cultivating. You do and and that's what

Shoemaker and I were talking about is

the kind of friend you are. You are very

very good at friendship. You I feel like

it might be the thing I'm best. You are

excellent at friendship. What why is

friendship so important to you? What

does it do for you? What has it done for

you? I just love having

I thought I was out of the woods. For

those listening, I just want you to know

his eyes are glistening again. I just

love my friends and I've been so lucky

to have them. It's just the best. I feel

like I get so much more out of them than

I put into it. And what like what do

they do for you? Cuz some people

friendship is something that yes,

everybody loves friendship, but they

don't participate it in it the way you

do. You are a very loyal, consistent,

and um and and meticulous friend. You

pay attention to your friends. They feel

very seen by you. I can speak for

myself. And you get such delight in your

friendships. Well, I think that like

seen is a really good way to put it

because I like the way

I like who I am through my the eyes of

my friends. Mhm. So it would break my

heart to, you know, not be held in high

opinion by the people I care the most

about. You like how you feel when you

can see how they see you. I whenever I'm

like, how am I doing as a person? Like

when I take stock of who my friends are,

I feel very good about who I am as a

person. And you have a lot of female

friends. I do. Great. Like a great

number. I count myself as one of them.

women in your life who are your friend,

who you're deeply

uh uh uh uh tender to and very like you

really like take care of us and you care

about us and you like I mean you're the

only you and Shoemaker are the only men

they're ever allowed even close to a lot

of the SNL women we gather together as a

group and just recently we let you sit

with us for 30 minutes. Yeah. And then

we said, I think it might have been

maybe it was Tina, but Tina said, "Thank

you for coming." And also, "Thank you

for leaving." Yeah. Well, on the way

there, I said, "Seth, heads up. We're

meeting." And I think you have about a

half an hour window. And you said,

"Fine, I'll take that." And then we sat

down at the steakhouse and you hung. And

then Tina said, "And now it's time to

go." Yeah. Yeah. It was um Can I point

out my favorite observations about you

guys as a group? Yes.

You needed a second table

uh for all your jackets

and every one of you had two totes.

Yeah. And most of the meal again, I

think if people saw the seven women that

were there, they would be like, "Oh my

god, how funny was it?" And I would say

mostly they were looking through their

totes.

At at no point Mhm. were less than two

people looking through a tote for

something. Well, yeah, cuz we had put it

in the other tote. Comedy legends. Yeah.

Rustling through totes and it was like

hand it was a lot of hand me my tote and

it was like is this my tote? Lot of

matching totes. Mhm. Yeah. I think we

had gotten some totes. Matching totes

and puffy totes is how I would describe.

It was I mean it was the SNL 5th week

and it was very cold. It was also we

were all dealing with like a lot of

temperature. So our bodies, you know,

we're of a certain age. We get hot and

cold really fast. So it was a lot of

putting on coats, taking off coats. It

was a lot and a lot of like, oh my god,

I'm so hot and then taking the coat off

and then handing it to you to put at the

table. Every coat was louder than the

next coat. Just when you moved the coat

Mhm. It was uh like the sail of a

schooner which is like

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very hard to hear any conversation due

to the rustling which is weird because

we were shouting at each other. We do

shout at each other across the table

very loudly. Yeah. Also Paula within

Paula Pel within like 5 seconds had set

up a home office at a third table. She

you're right. She went she got a third

table because she had to do some

rewrites like real time rewrites on SNL

50th. She was immediately had like a a

laptop and also like a TV monitor. Yeah.

Hooked up. There's also when we all go

out, there's a ton of food panic. Yeah.

When are we going to get our food? Who

ordered? What should we order? And we

all fall into very specific categories

about like how fast we should order and

and there was a lot of talk about what

you guys were going to get. And as soon

as uh the server came over, the minute

they spoke, everybody forgot everything

that had been agreed upon. Yeah. And uh

because it went right back to square

one. Yeah. And don't forget, you know,

I'm a woman of a certain age. I need

like 85 grams of protein a day. So we

were just like, how many steaks do we

need to get like 40 stakes? They put us

in a private room where you could have a

wedding. That's how big it was. Yeah.

They knew what they were dealing with.

And yet within like 10 minutes, I

thought we might need a second room. The

sprawl. Well, luckily in 10 minutes, we

asked you to leave.

because it was enough time. It was so

it was so much you that putting on and

taking off coat sometimes I think of an

SNL sketch just at the table that for

whatever reason stays with me forever.

Do you remember Fred did a sketch once

where he was someone at a dinner party

who kept taking off and putting on his

scarf. Yeah. Yes. The longest scarf. It

was a really long scarf and he kept

being like, "Oh my god, it's so hot."

and he would take it off and it was like

he had to like loop it around his head

and he had a practical scarf and he loop

it around his head like 10 times while

everybody waited and then he'd start

telling a story. He's like, "Oh my god,

it gets so chilly." And then just

looping

I think about it all the time. Like did

he make it on air? No. And I but I can't

I think about it all the time. Mhm.

Also, uh Fred I think Anilda was his Do

you remember his stenographer course

stenographer character? Oh yeah. And it

was it had a name. I think her name

stenographer had a name. I think Anilda.

Anilda, I think. I'm not sure. Okay.

Typed like this. Oh, kind of a little

bit like this. It was a lot like that.

But also

paused the trial a lot to look through

her bag. Mhm. And just would say over

and over, I can't find my chapstick. I

can't find my chapstick. I would say I

don't see a scarf without thinking about

the first one or hear somebody say

chapstick without thinking about the

second. The uh Fred Armison is like we

talk about him all the time on here.

like he is truly like the funniest of

the funny people. I think I'm actually

going to see Fred this weekend. Tina and

I are going to do a show. I don't know

when this will come out. Your your

people uh said they were going to review

it and see if it's if it's good enough.

I got to run it by like a bunch of

lawyers and stuff. Yeah. But um I got a

cry guy. He's going to make some cuts.

Cry Guy is going to make some cuts.

He's like a super jacked. He's like most

He makes my protein shakes every morning

and he's like you got to stop crying on

these pods, man. How many times you cry?

And you're like, "Three." And he's like,

"Three? Give me the tape." He's like,

"We've been working on one, bro. You get

one cry a day, bro." And then the worst

is he's so mean. And then I just start

to tear up. Yeah. And then it's like

just awful. And then I will say he's

like, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry." He's

really sweet. He's really sweet. He's

like, "Oh my god, I'm like I'm the I'm

the root of the problem. I'm supposed to

be here to solve the problem." That's

why I've called the cry guy. Yeah. And

then he gives me a big hug and like

broke my rib. He's so jacked. squeezes

all the tears out, puts them in a cup,

and drinks it. Um, so can men and women

be friends? No. Yeah, they can't. All

right. Well, um,

[Music]

[Laughter]

Seth, I love you so much. I love you,

too. This has been so fun. Thank you for

doing it. Let's get our glasses on. I'm

going to take this with me cuz I know

what people can do with DNA.

[ __ ] don't want to come back here

next time. You're okay.

I'm like, "This is your child." You're

like, "What? What?" I just cried a

little bit. I'm like, "We get to

pre-board at the airport now with your

child that I got from a tissue." Um,

anyway, I love you so much. I love you

in LA. This was a good hang. Such a good

hang. And I I can't wait to come back

and do your stuff. Although you guys

don't really have guests, but uh Oh,

yes. I thought you meant my talk show

and I'm like, "Yeah, we do.

Do you want to guess uh my brother's

middle name

people? I think people are disappointed

that was just the one. Christopher.

Fine.

Well, that was a great podcast with my

old buddy Seth Myers, who I love talking

about the past with and I love talking

about the present with and the future.

And um you know, I just wanted to take

this minute to plug the stuff that he's

doing. Um and he and he told me if I

didn't do it, he would sue me. So um uh

Family Trips, his podcast with his

brother Josh Dylan Meyers.

Um great hilarious stories about family

trips and what ensues. And then uh the

Lonely Island and Seth Myers podcast is

a great podcast to listen to if you care

about the minutia of SNL and how it's

made and all the guests that came

through. Those guys are the best and

it's so fun listening to them and I

listen to them every week. And um check

those two things out and thank you Seth

for joining us and thank you for

listening and never know how to end

these things. Okay, bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and

me, Amy Per. The show is produced by The

Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer,

production by Jack Wilson, Cat Spelain,

Kaia McMullen, and Alia Zanerys. For

Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel

Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss Berman.

Original music by Amy Miles.

really good. Hey