Reneé Rapp on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone and welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. Boy, we have a

superstar, a pop star, an incredibly

talented, wonderful woman named Renee

Rap joining us today. We're so excited

to have Renee here. We are going to talk

about so many things. We're going to

talk about falling in love. We're going

to talk about standing up to bullies.

We're going to listen to her new music,

which is incredible. Her um record, Bite

Me, is coming out at the end of the

summer, and her new single um Leave Me

Alone is out now. It's so good. And um

we're going to talk about what it means

to uh to make music during these times.

It's fun and funny and I can't wait for

you to listen. And we start these

podcasts the same way all the time. We

try to get our guests friends or fans or

people who uh want to give me a question

to ask our guest on the line. And today

we have Cara Deivine, beautiful actress,

model director

gal about town, a total delight. And

Cara is joining us from Paris and she's

going to tell me what to ask Renee. Hi

Cara.

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[Music]

Hello Cara.

Hi. Hi. How are you? It's nice to meet

you. Have we never met? I I mean I feel

like perhaps I've walked past you at an

event and I've never stopped you and

hugged you.

Not yet, but now. But now rude.

Like I feel like I I just I adore you

and I'm such a huge fan and I feel like

I know you so well because I think Parks

and Wreck probably saved my life during

co. So like I feel like I know you. So

if I'd seen you, I would have run up to

you and probably kissed your feet if I'm

going to be real with you. I just I just

got back from work, so I'm just getting

into my hotel room and then I will sit

down. Of course, take your time. We we

have people doing these Zooms from uh

restaurant bathrooms, from set, from

cars. So, Oh, perfect. I'm talking to

Amy Polar. I'm on her podcast. My

girlfriend's a big fan. She's freaked

out. She doesn't understand.

I I would turn the camera up, but she's

naked. Oh my god. That's how I imagine

your life. That's how exactly how I love

the podcast. Yes, I know. I just We do

good hang. We are good at We're the best

hang. Okay, so we're talking to the

great Renee Rap today. Who? Exactly.

Just be your favorite. And I know Can

you tell me how you guys met? I

literally don't even think we've known

each other that long, but

uh through my old manager was like, you

know, I always want to be behind the

camera in as many ways possible, and I

think music videos is a great way of

doing that. and he was like, "Would you

be interested in um directing a video

for Renee Rap?" And I was like, "Yeah,

obviously. Let me let's talk though.

Let's get on the phone." And what I

realized about Renee, again, for someone

who is nearly 10 years younger than me,

she is

I mean, a consumate professional. Her

voice can just like break me to the

floor while also like lift my spirits.

But also when you work with someone

who's a musician who's also an actor and

who's so brilliant and just can like

take direction, take notes, be

spontaneous.

Um,

yeah, she's so good at that. Okay. And

then, um, my question to you is, what do

you think I should ask Renee today?

There's a lot I know about her, but I

want to hear what you think. I had so

many questions that I wanted to ask and

then I realized a lot of people won't

understand the question. So for

everyone, the questions that I wanted to

ask her, number one was if she was a

drag king, so not a drag queen for the

people that don't know that a drag king,

so dresses in drag as a man, what would

her drag name be? Great. Very important.

What would yours be? Okay, let me think

about this. Well, I'm going to think

about the old trick where you sometimes

take the street you grew up on and your

first pet name. So, mine would be

Bradley Alangquin.

Hot. I can imagine the dance you're

doing, too. Like, so my guy, I think,

would probably be a professor, like some

kind of professor with a mustache with

braces, a bow tie. Yeah. and just and

he's just like uh he's just kind of like

sternly telling you to get your work

done. Obsessed

disciplinarian professor Al Gangquin. I

can't claim this one, but someone a drag

king is called Clintit Eastwood, which I

just

incredible. I wish I made that up. It's

not mine. I don't know what mine would

be, but I'm not the one being asked

questions. And the other question would

be Oh. Oh. If Renee had to be in a girl

band like the Spice Girls, it doesn't

matter how many people of of female

singers, rappers, whoever, dead or

alive, who would it be? Honestly, that's

the hardest question, I think. Oh,

that's such a good question. Renee is

going to be so happy that we talked

today, I think, cuz you know, these are

always surprises. So, [ __ ] Renee. Any

excuse to talk to you, Emmy. Good night.

Anytime. Thank you. You're the best. To

anyone. Oh my gosh. But no, I love

Renee. I'm so glad. No.

Okay. Well, just come back next week and

we'll just talk about whoever that is. I

will. I'm going to find a job to do so I

can just come and talk about it. Yes,

please. I would love that. That's how it

works. Okay. Thank you so much for your

time. Bye.

Renee, I'm so happy you're here. I've

been listening to your I've been lucky

enough to listen to your Can we listen

to your song right now?

Please. Okay. Of course. I love this

song.

Is it weird to listen to your music? I

mean, I'm forced to listen to it a lot.

So, no, it's not weird. Is this your

first single? Mhm.

It's fun. It's so good. It's got like a

runaways Joan Jet vibe. Yeah. Oh, 100%.

100%. I know. I like it. And it's very

crunchy. Thanks, dude. Thanks. I'm

partial. It's so good to like music.

100%. I really like your music. Thank

you. It's very sweet. I really like your

music. I'm glad that you like it. It

would be [ __ ] if you hated it. Yeah. I

wouldn't tell you. You know what I mean?

But but it's This record is so good.

Congratulations. We're going to talk all

about it. Thanks. Um, how are you today?

How are you feeling today? Good. Renee

Rap. Yeah. I first met you without you

meeting me. So, I guess I should say I

first saw you on Tina Fay's phone.

Love. I mean, that's kind of like a sick

thing for me to know that that's where

you've first seen me. I'm like, "Oh my

god, it's so cute." I saw Tina said,

"Listen to this woman sing basically and

played a video of you singing and we

both kind of watched it together in awe

as I imagine a lot of people do when

they first hear you sing." Thanks. And

you were, you know, I think you were

already hired maybe at that point to do

Mean Girls. Um, which was, give us a

sense of what time that was. What year

was that? probably tw probably 2019,

right? And you were how old? 19. Dang.

And what do you remember around that

time about getting that part? I was just

like so entitled. I was just so

entitled. I was just like, "Yeah, okay,

sure thing." You were like, "I got it.

Nailed it." What? Do you remember the

audition? Yeah, totally. What was it

like?

I auditioned a bunch of times and when I

first auditioned I remember I was like I

need to dress really girly and at that

time in my life I was like

I mean I was dressing horrifically first

of all dressing like an infinity scarf a

legging like I was I was like my like

And you're telling me those are not

cool? Um no no no like I love a little

like small infinity scarf you know like

tiny knit. Yeah. But that was just like

I don't know. I was just dressing crazy.

I was dressing crazy. I had also like

just started making money. So I

discovered like athleisure and I was

like a musical theater person who was

moving to New York and I was like,

"Fuck, you guys all wear these little

[ __ ] Lululemon skirts." Right. Right.

Right. [ __ ] I got to get one. So I

was dressing crazy. So I was like, "All

right, I got to dress the part." Mhm.

And I looked [ __ ] insane. I just

looked so terrible. And I remember being

like, I can't walk in these heels and

this skirt is like making my ass sweat

so crazy. I have to go home. And I did a

terrible terrible first audition. It's

true. The wrong clothes can ruin you.

Yeah. Big time. [ __ ] you up. I I

hated it. Hated it. Hated it up. So then

the next audition I went back, changed

clothes, wore some pants, skinny jeans.

Hey, that was nice. And I looked less

bad. Mhm. Did better. What did you sing

for your audition? Do you remember? No,

but I remember that an ex-boyfriend

picked it out for me.

Yeah. Cuz I was like, he was a musical

theater major in college and just

smarter than I was. And he was like, oh,

I think I said something. I was like,

I'm going to sing like a Beyonce song.

And he was like like what the [ __ ] for

he's like like cool. But at that time it

wasn't like you know the girls weren't

doing pop like I think they are now.

Yeah. And um he gave me something. [ __ ]

I don't remember. He was like sing

something from HMS Pinnhor. Literally.

He was like in a color dream coat.

Exactly. Exactly. So, I remember I did

that and then after that the auditions I

went back I just had to sing songs from

the show and that was way [ __ ] easier

cuz I hate having to make decisions.

Written by the great Jeff Richmond.

Let's give it up for Jeff Richmond who's

an incredible musician and Tina's

husband and my friend for many years.

He's so talented. There are no two

people cuter. It's kind of outrageous.

They are a power couple. It is kind of

outrageous. And I am not the biggest fan

of musicals. Sorry. I like them. I don't

love them. I'm not either. love the Mean

Girls musical. I love the music in it.

It's really fun. It's really, really

fun. What was it like doing a Broadway

show and how many shows did you end up

doing before co hit? I mean, it was

super [ __ ] hard.

Um,

I don't know. I did like six and a half

months. So, I did like half of what

would have been my like contract. Um,

just I did a ton of [ __ ] shows. You

just do literally so many. Holy [ __ ]

And the hardest part of your day is at

the end of your day. Absolutely.

Actually, do you know what? No. The

hardest part of my day was like the

mental game of waking up and waiting the

entire day. Yeah. And planning your

entire life around doing a show at

night. And I want to I know you identify

prim, you know, like you identify gay.

Yes. We're going to talk about that. No.

No.

Rude. Yeah. But you identify as a

musician and singer in many ways more

than an actor, right? Is that Is that

true? I think so. Okay. But I do want to

just talk about the Jimmy Awards,

please. Because please, for people who

don't know what the Jimmy Awards are,

what are they for people who have never

seen them? The

most intense,

hormonal, um, scary. Yeah, scary. Really

intense. And I don't say that about

other people. I mean that more about

like myself. Like I was a [ __ ]

terror. I didn't make a friend the

entire week. So they're a high school

competition. Yeah. Okay. So yes,

actually. So what it is is a high school

theater. I'm like went way in. Yeah. No,

it's a high school theater competition

uh all across the country. Yes. Correct.

And everyone kind of competes and a lot

of like very famous people have been

discovered through the Jimmy Awards. You

being one of them. Do you feel like you

were discovered because you did the

Jimmy Awards? Like in many ways were you

I feel like I mean it definitely like it

definitely gave me like leverage because

I was like just just kind of an [ __ ]

and I was like you guys are going to pay

attention to me whether you like it or

not. Yeah. You were really feel like

that's the when I watch your performance

on it that is definitely what I feel is

this vibe of um I'm I've arrived and I'm

ready. You felt that then?

Like

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Have you

always been this kind of person, Renee?

Like a you had some kind of inner

compass that like tells you

you have. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Where

do you think that comes from? I

literally have no idea. Like from

inception

to now, same way. Same way. Like always.

And don't get me wrong, like I think my

parents have those qualities.

Absolutely. But like even before, you

know, when you're like a little tiny

thing and you start to sort of like take

on parts of your own personality and as

those become, you know, what they are, I

was always like just like super driven,

crazy, like little bit angry and like

ready to go. That's And do you think you

like and this is a little woowoo, but do

you think you've lived before? Do you

think you've been here before? Cuz

that's a very, you know, it's like did

you think you arrived with some like are

you a reincarnated?

No, there's no way cuz I wouldn't have

come back. I'd be like, I'm not doing

this [ __ ] again. I'm like, I'm not doing

that [ __ ] again. No, this is your first

time. You're so centered. Got to be.

From a little from a young age, you know

who you are. Definitely. I I think I'm

just very like I just always been very

feisty. Yeah. But also when when I was

like being born I guess when I was being

born and like in when I was there being

born when I was like shooting out my mom

uh like chose my first and last name to

be well okay arguably chose my first and

last name to both have like ours.

just in case she um wants to be a pop

star,

which is so [ __ ] assed.

And I'm obsessed with the way she did

it. I'm like, thank you, God. She gave

you a pop star name just in case because

Renee Rap is a huge pop star name. It's

a really good one. And Renee Rap is a

huge pop star. Yeah. Um, do you remember

the moment when you sang or when you

watched people realize that you had an

exceptional voice? You have an

exceptional voice, beautiful voice that

can do don't so many things. And

everybody says like, "Oh, my kid's a

good singer. You know, my daughter loves

to sing." Whatever. But there is always

a moment where somebody sings and

everyone looks at each other and says,

"Holy [ __ ] she's really good." Do you

remember a moment where you or someone

locked in and knew you know your

ambition and talent were matching? Mm-

It didn't match for a very long time.

Really? No, I don't think. Well, are you

hard on yourself? 100%. But also, my

parents were never like, "My kid's a

[ __ ] star." Yeah. They were like like

I would I would like come off of like a

stage or even like I played a lot of

sports growing up come off the field

like court whatever and they'd be like

you know where you messed up and I'd be

like I'm five this is crazy this is

crazy but also my dad has relative pitch

so he's very musically inclined relative

pitch so basically like if I was flat

he'd know like he has a really good ear

really good ear so he was always like

you you know where you were flat, right?

So I was I was like [ __ ] So they were

really getting you trained like you're

you're are you trained or did you ever

do any musical training like any I did

like I was in choir. Yeah, I was in

choir. I took piano lessons um when I

was a kid but they give me panic

attacks. I got very stressed and I would

start crying. So I stopped. Good. Got

rid of that. But I did I feel like choir

was like how I learned kind of how to

like blend. So I don't want to say like

no I have no training. What were you?

Were you alto? What were you in your I

was alto in choir. You have the hardest

lines. Thank you so much. You have the

hardest lines. Yeah. Cuz altos sing like

they're far away from the choir and

singing a different song. Yes. Oh 100%.

They're just like and I will.

Yeah. And the sopranos or what were you?

Were you soprano? I was I was a soprano.

Congrats. I was a soprano. Thank you.

But also sopranos are [ __ ] Like if

you're a soprano

like oh congratulations. You you get to

sing the song, right? Exactly. The altos

have to sing some weird durge that is

underneath. Not even of course. It's

like you know the um All I Want for

Christmas is what the [ __ ] alto line.

Okay. What is it? It's just like Okay.

You sing the I don't want to for

Christmas. There is just one thing I

need. And I

like it's the same [ __ ] the whole song.

And that's exactly what being an alto in

a choir is. And then occasionally having

to memorize the most difficult line of

music that has nothing to do with what

the song is. Couldn't be less. It is so

confusing. And you know what happens

when those altos go away? The song falls

apart. Falls apart. You have like a very

shrill pitchy soprano and like tenor

boys who are like not at all developed

yet singing like [ __ ] Yeah. The altos

are gone. The bottom of the pyramid. The

altos are like when you do the

cheerleader pyramid. If all those bottom

gals decided to just leave. What are you

What are you doing when the bottoms are

gone? We always say that. What are you

going to do when the bottoms are gone?

Nothing to top. Nothing. Nothing to top.

No one to top if the altos are removed.

That's why my girlfriend needs me.

That's it, right? She needs me. It's

interesting what I'm realizing is I'm

asking you these like Yeah. technical

questions, but I'm realizing how you

come to singing is very intuitive. It's

like what you're feeling in the moment.

Totally. So, do you do vocal warm-ups?

No. Incredible. Hate. Can't do it. Don't

like them. Mhm. Don't like them. Makes

me too anxious. Puts me in my head.

Anytime I've ever done a warm-up before

a performance,

I have done. So, [ __ ] That is so

interesting. I I can understand that cuz

it then becomes very important. Yeah.

And I'm like thinking about it and I'm

thinking about the like different

technicalities or whatever my voice and

I don't that's not how I learned how to

sing. So, I don't think

Whenever I try and do that, it's kind of

like going back on the actual thing that

I know how to do. How did you learn how

to sing? How would you describe it?

Listen to Beyonce. Tried to match it.

Like genuinely like I was like, "Well,

this is it." Yeah. So, I got to do that.

Yes. You know, you like you let music

come from all around you and you and

like you you brought music in and you're

less concerned about trying to be 100%.

Yeah. 100%. Have you met and talked to

Beyonce?

I I have met

I have met Beyonce. Would you like to

tell us? Would you like to tell us how?

I was forced. Okay. By management. No.

Um by one of my best friends who is like

just she will always introduce me to

someone. Always. She's like you must.

And for Beyonce she was like this is

your like hero. like this is your set

the scene. Where were you? So, we were

at a party after I just told everybody

um at this Oscars party that Nemo was

the best film ever made and they're

like, "Cool, she's going to work for a

long time."

and we went to an afterparty and I was

with like two or three of my really good

friends and my friend Cara is like the

best person to have out with you because

she is like your biggest cheerleader

ever. Is that Cara Deivine? Yes. She

like she will take you she just like

will literally she'll be like Rene I got

to like hold you for a sec. like she's

like one of the greatest friends on

planet Earth, but knows how much I love

Beyonce and is really fearless about it.

And um I was like, "Oh my [ __ ] god."

I was like, "Byc is literally standing

here. That's so crazy." And the whole

day she had been saying she was like,

"We're just going to introduce you to

her like like they invited you. Like

it's okay. Like she like you guys like

I'm sure that she loves you." I was

like, "No, no, no. Like we really should

like tone it down." Mhm. And I was Did

you see her in the room? Yeah. No,

definitely. Okay. You had some liquid

courage. She was in the room. Yeah, she

was in the room. And um very blonde and

I think like probably the most beautiful

person I've ever seen um in real life

ever. And I love my girlfriend, but like

she knows you don't compete where you

can't compare. And I I like that saying.

Can't like can't like what are you going

to do? You put anyone in a category with

Beyonce, it's going down. So, sure. Cara

was like, "You must say hi to her." I'm

like getting so anxious talking about

it. It makes me I'm like, I could vomit.

She was like, "You have to." And I was

like, "You walk me up there, [ __ ] and

I will kill you. I'll kill you in front

of everybody here." Sounds like you

meant the opposite.

The truth is I didn't. You didn't. Oh,

she dragged me. And I was like having

such a like a visceral rea. I was like,

"This is my hero. I can't do this. I

would never even like want to bother her

or anything. And

I just And she was like, "Oh my god."

Hi. I was like, "You don't have to do

that. It's okay." Um, love you. Lovely

to meet you. You got really sleepy. And

I I just was like I like couldn't look

at her at all. I also was super um I

love to have a good time and I was gone.

So I was like, "Hey, so nice to meet

you. Thanks for having was like, you

know, you like basically you hurried her

along. Oh, she didn't get a word in

edgewise. I was like, I got to go. And

she was like, oh, it's so lovely. I

said, no, no, don't even worry about

that.

You just have a good night, ma'am. I'm

going to head on out. We're going to get

you in the car now and you're going to

we're going to get you home because

literally I turned around maybe 3 ft.

Middle of a party. Middle of a party.

Screamed top of my lungs. Turned around

at Cara and I was like And she was still

very close. Yeah, she was super close. I

could have walked a bit further, but I

was so I was like, I can't do this. It

was the greatest night of my life. Do

you want Do you want to meet her again?

And do you think you'll be cooler when

you No, that's it. We can't talk. You

mean like sometimes you just don't want

to meet I can't I can't also she'll be

like this woman just screamed like 2

feet away from me and I'll be like I

totally did. I'm so sorry. Like how

could I ever do that around your your

ears? She probably is used to people

like hearing people totally Yeah. tweak

tweak after they meet her. For sure. I

once met Prince at SNL. Um he came off

stage after doing soundcheck and walked

past me and I said, "How was your

summer?" That was what I said to him.

What did he say? He was like, he just

went like, "Hey." You know,

like, "Can you imagine that being the

question you asked Prince?" Yeah. Um

terrible. No, it's good. Okay. Let me

talk about your album. Okay. Because

this music, your record, what's the name

of your record? Bite me. Amazing. Yeah.

I kind of forgot was like I was like,

"Yeah, got it." Yeah. Okay. Bite me. So

incredible. And it is very I was talking

to you when we were Hold on. I got to

play the song. Go because um stream my

[ __ ] Yeah. Okay. So that's what music

is is you stream it now. I guess. Yeah.

You just stream it now.

[Applause]

It's funny that you say cannonball.

Sorry. You're so cute. No, please don't.

Hold on. Nana needs to listen to it

again. Hold on, Nana. Um, come on, Nana.

It's funny. Come on, Nana. Let's go.

Nana's get on up.

No, but you know what's funny that you

say cannonball in it cuz it did have a

Breeders vibe. Like there's a heavy like

PJ Harvey vibe like and what and what I

like about your music is I feel like I'm

in conversation with you. You You're in

conversation with us. Totally. I mean

hopefully yeah and there's not to get

too you know like but I did um you know

I don't always do research on the guests

cuz like I understand um cuz I'm like

it's okay of course but um I did listen

to all of your songs many many times. Oh

my god. Thank you. And so I just want to

I want everyone to know that but no but

um two songs that the one Why is she

still here and I can't be is it I can't

be around you anymore. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Those two songs everyone listen to those

two. They feel like they're from the

perspective of a two women in the same

like it it's it's very cool coupling

those two songs. They're great songs.

Thank you. Thank you. They're they're

like some of my favorites. That is true.

They're kind of A and B to each other.

Right. One is like why is she still

here? What's going on? And the other is

there's something going on. We can't

really handle and I can't be around you

anymore is that's a killer song. Thank

you. I I'm obsessed with that song. I

love that song. And that's a good

example, I feel like, of where you're

able to show like show restraint cuz you

have to kind of sing it. You're you're

you're singing it in a way that really

makes us feel some like really feel it

deeply. It's so good. Thanks. It's

really It's It's going to be a late

night driving song for a lot of people.

That's

it is for me. Yeah. 100%. And it's going

to be the kind of song that people send

to each other like, "Hey." And they're

just going to send it and be like, "I

can't see you anymore cuz we're we have

too much chemistry." Hey, girl. Exo. XO.

They're like, "We're actually I mean, is

there anything hotter than being like,

"We can't see each other anymore." So

hot. Yeah. It's like, "We literally

can't. We have You have to leave me

alone." Of course. So then you do. You

have to see that person again. Yeah.

Must all the time. You can't you you

have to, but you can't. It's too

dangerous. It's forbidden. It's

forbidden. Romeo and Juliet. Damsel.

[ __ ] Balcony. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of

suicide, balcony suicide. Balcony

suicide. Um, watch. Speaking of love,

suicide.

Speaking of love. Mhm. How did you meet

your girlfriend? Um, similarly locked

her in my house. Kind of same thing to

Beyonce. Um, Toa Bird for people who

don't know, an incredible musician,

um, opened for you and was kind of

discovered. um like online, right? Like

performing and doing videos like during

the pandemic online. Yes. Yeah. We

always joke around that we're like the

two Tik Tok signings at at our at our

label. I had known of her for like the

longest time cuz she's super talented

and is really sexy. And so obviously I

knew of her and um cuz all the sexy you

you clock all the sexy. Yeah. Yeah. I

have like a rolodex. I got a list and

like who's hot. Got it. Um, but yeah,

she I was I just always like thought she

was just so [ __ ] cool. And I had

asked one of my best friends to

introduce me to her. And

yeah, I was like, "You have to introduce

me to her." He was like, "I don't know

if she's like um in a place in her life

where she's like wanting to like meet

anyone." I was like, "I really couldn't

give a [ __ ] less." Um I'm not either,

but I'm going to meet her. We need to be

at least be friends. Yeah. You were

like, I there's something about her that

feels Yeah. I was like, I need like I I

need to know her like super bad. And so

then he introduced me to her and she was

so [ __ ] mean to me. And I was like,

wait, in what way? That loved it. But

she's scary. She's like, yeah, well,

she's like from the UK, so like her

humor is also super different, but she's

also just such a [ __ ] Tell what did

she say? Well, I was like, I've heard so

much about you. And she was like, "Why

are you talking so much about me then?"

And I was like, "She's really negging

you." Yeah. I was like, "Oh my god." And

then speaking of negging, the next time

we talked, I was We were talking about

Cars cuz I love Cars and also the movie.

Good animated film. Holy [ __ ] I always

say, "Holy shit." I always say that

Larry the Cable Guy should have been

nominated for an Oscar. I mean, it's

horrible. His performance as to

unfucking real.

hear laughter and that's rude because

it's true. It is true. He his

performance is incredible in cars. No,

it's it's stunning. Agree. It's

stunning. I just rewatched Cars too

recently. I cried in bed obsessed with

it. But anyway, how [ __ ] Oh, okay. So,

we were talking about cars and she was

telling me what kind of car she drove at

the time and I was like, "Oh, that's so

interesting. I wouldn't like peg you for

someone who would drive a car." And she

looked at me or who would drive a car

who would drive that kind of car. And

she was like, "Oh, you don't want to peg

me?" And I was like I was like, "Oh my

god." I was freaking I was like freak. I

was like, I am so confident and so like

she she she o she she over she went over

the top. She she topped a top. She

literally topped to top. She outflirted

me. She tiptoed. She tip top to top. She

tiptoed on my top. You like confidence.

Love. Okay. Love. And what would be

Okay, so she's super confident and then

you're like, "Okay, now now she's a

challenge." Yeah, of course. I was like,

"Now now I'm like you just you you you

want me so bad. Just say it. You want

me. That is true. Yeah. It was awesome.

Yeah. And so then you started dating.

Yeah. Then we started dating. And then

who said I love you first? She she told

me I'm so sorry but she told me we were

sat on the beach and hi um out of our

minds. Okay. Sorry. And I was so beyond

in love with her. Like I've never been

so scared to like fall in love with

somebody in my life. I was like, "Oh

Jesus." I was like, "We're either going

to get married or I can never speak to

her again." Like it's like that kind of

like I just am so I like worship her. I

think she's perfect. And yeah, she was

like, "I think I'm falling in love with

you." And I literally didn't answer.

Didn't say a word. I'm on shrooms. The

sun is setting. I'm like, "It's a bit

cold. There's like a Tik Tocker behind

us that I'm obsessed with." Who? Which

one? Her name is Flossy Baby. Oh, I

know. Flossy Baby. She couldn't be more

hilarious. She was behind you during it.

She's behind us on the beach, but I

can't say anything to her cuz I'm like,

Flossy, she doesn't know me at this

point. Yeah. A lot going on. Yeah, we

know each other now cuz I broke

everything down to her on to's birthday

cuz I invited her. I said, you don't

understand what a big part of our lives

you are. Flossy baby. I'm obsessed with

her. And so to was telling me this and I

was like and but I was hi distracted by

Flossy Baby. I was like I was like I was

like there's no way she just said this

to me and what if I'm receiving it wrong

because of things that are impairing uh

yeah my thought process and natural

plants. So I didn't say anything and I

said

repeat one more time and she was like

are you [ __ ] kidding me right now? I

was like sorry sorry let me lock back

in. I love you too. Like I was like of

course and it was the craziest I love

you too. Of course I wait love you too.

I love you too. Of course, honey, you're

so cute. And yeah, I was just like, I'm

obsessed with you. And Flossy Baby's

here, too. It was awesome. It was

awesome. It was so fun. It was so fun.

Wow. So, it really feels like real true,

beautiful love. I love love. That's so

great. And what is it like working

together? You guys have been on like do

you tour together now still? We did. I

mean, she'll we'll like we'll go out for

shows for Will she be playing with you

for any of these shows that you're going

to do? 100%. Wow. What's that like? How

do you stay

in love and work together? It's not

always easy. No, I mean she like I think

I just respect her so much as a musician

that

I

am kind of always looking to her. Um,

like seeking her approval kind of sounds

like she's doing something really

terrible to me, but like I'm like I'm

always Yeah. Like I want to know. I I

really respect her opinion. I really

respect her opinion. And I think she has

amazing taste. And I think that there

are so many things and and ways that

she's so much smarter than me. And I

love having that in a partner because I

want to learn from her all the time. Um,

but there have also been times where

like we've worked in sessions together

and we're writing for each other's

projects and um, she's super fun to

write with. so easy to collaborate with.

And I don't think I'm as much like that

for her cuz we were writing and God

bless her, we we like left and I was

like, "You seem you seem a bit upset

with me." And she was like, "No, I just

like I don't think I I don't think you

needed to like nitpick my vocals all

that much." And I was like, "Got it, got

it, got it." So, what had happened was I

was like trying to vocal produce her on

like a demo for like the better part of

an hour and a half and I was like again

again. You were like I I I can tell when

you're a little flat. Yeah. Is it Sorry.

Do you know where you were wrong? She

was like cool. So, I don't know if she

wants to work with me again, but but I

love working with her. Love working with

her. I don't think I'm maybe the person

for her, which I totally get. I'm a bit

neurotic. It's funny. You are a bit

neurotic. You don't seem neurotic. Um,

in like a studio setting, I I'm pretty

insufferable to be around. You want to

get it right. Yeah, it's got to be. It's

got to be it.

the two of you are very very sweet

together and very very like you know I

know that the you know the people that

are fans of yours like already know this

but

you're very um you're very sweet example

I think of like a beautiful young

lesbian couple that are very open and

very loving in real time and it goes

back to I think Renee something that's

very special about you which is you very

generously like shared

in many ways with the world your own

journey about how you wanted to identify

and I'm thinking about this story that I

heard when you did SNL

and you were working with the writer

Celeste and do you want to tell that

story? I mean it's the best. It's the

incredible story. It's so it's it's the

best. I So they Celeste and a couple of

other people had written into the skit

that I was doing. Um they're like,

"Okay, we're going to call you a little

bisexual intern." And at that time I was

like very like publicly bisexual. I had

been for a very long time. And like in

private I was like talking with my

girlfriend and a lot of my friends for

the last maybe like 8 months before that

of being like I actually like don't

really feel very like by at the moment.

And I feel like very much like a lesbian

and like it feels so nice and like that

word feels amazing and feels very like

euphoric for me. So I was like do you

think that we could just change it to

like gay? cuz I was honestly a little I

don't know like labeling yourself

publicly is

really really really empowering and also

I think can be kind of intimidating

because you're like Jesus [ __ ] Christ

this feels so good for me right now and

I don't want to go by something that

doesn't feel correct but I'm also going

to like give myself the willingness to

be like what if in 10 years I don't like

that identity either and I just want I

don't know like what if in 10 years I'm

completely different in terms of my

identity and sexuality or like my gender

expression, anything like that. Or if I

decide to be a really nice person, then

I want to be like, wait, I'm [ __ ]

nice now, right? I want to have the

grace to be able to change from being a

[ __ ] to being a sweetheart. So,

whatever. But yeah, I I was just like I

maybe like gay, I don't know. And

Celeste was like, "Fuck yeah." Like

literally whatever you want. And I was

like, "Okay, a [ __ ] love Celeste."

And then I was talking to Bowen about it

and I was like I kind of just want to be

like

like slur. No, I kind of just want to be

like like lesbian. I was like I'm just

going to kind of do it. And I called Toa

and then I was like babe I think I'm

just going to like rip like I think it

like feels good also to like come out as

a lesbian and like SNL is like pretty

[ __ ] I was like I'm going to do it for

sure. And I was also like, "Okay, I'm

probably going to disappoint a lot of

people who felt like they connected with

like the very openly bisexual part of

me, and I'm also probably going to piss

a lot of other people off." And I was

like, "Okay, what else do I live to do

other than like cause like a

controversy? Sue me." Like, fine. Okay.

What a big [ __ ] problem. So then I

just I wanted to do it and Bowen and

Celeste and everybody were like, "Hell

yeah." What's been the feedback?

What how did it feel to do it? And what

did anything change after you did it? I

mean, I definitely I kind of just like

didn't even like look online afterward

cuz I was like I don't How did it feel

in your life? In your real life?

Nothing. Amazing. So [ __ ] good. Like

so [ __ ] good. I think also just like

being from somewhere incredibly rural.

Um, you know, you

I don't know like you don't like it's

just like it's like [ __ ] like Maggot

Town where I grew up at and like it

always has been and it's probably better

now than it was when I was a kid or it's

10 times worse in so many ways. So I

think for me I was like it was it was

really interesting because I think a lot

of the people who I grew up around who

were incredibly homophobic are very

supportive of me now that I am like a

public person because I think the idea

of fame and wealth can sometimes trump

hate if it's close in proximity which is

really [ __ ] frustrating cuz I'm like

I know you don't like anybody else who's

gay and you don't like me either. You

just like the idea of the closeness to

like something that is very shallow. So

much so that you're willing to like put

your bigotry to the side for a second to

be like, "Oh, I babysat her." I'm like,

"No, you're a [ __ ] homophobe and I

don't like you to the day and I will

never like you." My neighbors are

boycotting Target for having like a

pride line. I'm like, "I could give a

[ __ ] about y'all. I could give a [ __ ]

about y'all." So that in that way really

frustrated me cuz I was like you don't

get to be like supportive of this thing

now that it's easy for you and fun for

you and something for you to [ __ ]

brag about. Yeah. You must feel very

used. So used. So used. And then on the

other side of that, I like love being a

lesbian and I love the lesbian community

so much and I love like the communities

surrounding lesbians that like

like really [ __ ] with us. I don't know.

So there's like there's really bad and

there's really really good. Yeah. Yeah.

Um I also like I love to watch people

come out publicly who feel like they can

and then like change their identity or

not. It's just kind of I don't know.

It's not for everyone but like for me it

was definitely an integral part of my

life. Well I think what you're talking

about is that by doing it you're just

kind of like leading by example. this

idea that

everything doesn't have to be so

serious. Like you can decide if as long

as it's you deciding like then you can

decide however and whenever and wherever

you want. It can be in your parents

house. It can be on SNL. It can be in a

relationship. Like that is I think what

if I may speak for myself like what Gen

Z has done for me, right? What young

people do for me is I came up at a time

when labels meant meant so much. They

were

not only were they lifelong, they were

like tattoos, right? So people were very

very afraid like what if I get something

wrong? Basically, what if I get it wrong

or like to your point, what if I want to

change or what if I'm kind of 10% this

and 90% that or what if I'm in the

middle? There was no there was it was

really binary. Yeah. And Gen Z because

life has been so serious. Gen Z has kind

of balanced it by saying like it's not

that serious. Yeah. It's not that it's

okay. It's make a mistake or not.

Totally. Decide however you want. Relax.

And there's some way that you did that

and the way that you do that, the way

you live authentically, that's very

relaxing. Mhm. And I think it's very

cool. Yeah. Thanks. It's nice. I I like

I don't know. I enjoy it. I also just

have like a big like group of like gay

friends around me. Like I like have like

my like gaggle of lesbians. So speaking

of please um we do a thing here where we

ask your friends or people that know you

to talk well behind your back. They talk

[ __ ] about me. No. Okay. I believe it.

It's totally fine. No. It's got No, it's

like it's like um it's like the on the

It's like Mean Girls but not Mean Girls.

It's the other side of it, which is

basically we got um Cara Deivine. We

talked to her today. [ __ ]

Such a [ __ ] [ __ ]

[ __ ] Common [ __ ] Incredible. By the

way, when we called her, she was in

Paris and there was her her her partner

was naked in the bed and so she was

wearing headphones and like she looked

she's so I mean superm models.

Models are so hot. Models are so hot. We

got to start talking about it more.

Models are so [ __ ] hot. Let's just be

clear. Models are so [ __ ] hot. I know

a lot of Yeah, this is a hot take.

Models are hot. Models are hot. Yeah.

And they're pretty. They're pretty on

camera. They're pretty during the day.

They're pretty during the night. All the

time. Yeah. Literally all the time.

Yeah. Good job. Models. Cara wanted me

to ask you a couple questions. Oh,

please. I'm sure they're She had

incredible questions. I was going to say

I'm sure they're very PG and and very

normal. Okay. And super Yeah, totally.

First of all, what would your drag king

name be? Oh my god. I know. I got I'll

I'll let you think. It's so good. I got

a little put on the spot and I Yeah.

What did you say? Well, I picked what um

I I got nervous. That's okay. So, um I

said, you know, like when you're trying

when you're trying to figure out like

your dancer name, your exotic dancer

name, you do the um street that you grew

up on and the your first pet. Oh, no. I

didn't know that. Okay, this is cuz I

What is this? It's probably because I

this was said in like 1978. It's good.

But um so my the street So I said

Bradley Alangquin was my drag king name

because that was the street I grew up on

and I had a guinea pig named Bradley.

Oh, I thought your guinea pig's name was

Al Gangquin. No, I was like wait. Yeah,

yeah, I know. But so so but anyway,

we'll cut this part out. But no, I like

it. I like it. I actually think it's

pretty strong.

There's nothing worse than giving a drag

name and people going, "Wait, what?

Explain it." And then you have to

explain it and then they go, "No, I like

it." Well, Al Gangquin is where I was

like I was more just like, "Where's the

guinea pig?" Yeah. Al Gangquin.

Actually, yeah. So, but that was your

street name. So, I just gave that to

myself. But again, no one's ever going

to hear this. We're going to cut all

this out. And my social security is as

follows. Okay.

So, what is your drag king name? And do

you like I mean I I actually have to say

like what I really love about you is

like your experimentation with mask and

fem. You do it a lot in your in your

work and in the way you dress and I

really relate to that because I'm always

very confused about how to dress. 100

100 fucking%. Very confused. And you

present both often. Like you're you go

back and forth and again you're showing

us by example that you don't have to

choose. Thanks. I've like watched so

many people do it so well and who does

it well? I mean, not to be like so

annoying, but like my girlfriend does it

really well. I wasn't going to say, but

she really does do it well. Like she's

fine as hell. What are you going to do?

Yeah. Take me out. Like it's fine. She

really does. Um, [ __ ] I don't know. I

mean, I boed I didn't know how to answer

it. It's a really good question. I mean,

we could think of some fun pun like um

you know, instead of

you know, we instead of um Timothy

Shalamé, you could be called Timothy

Shallay.

Is that good? That

That's it.

That's actually it, right? I can't even

explain to you how much exactly that is

it.

But it is. Oh my god, we did it. That's

perfect. And then the other question she

had, which was amazing. I'm sure. Who

would be in your girl band? If you could

put together a girl band, dead or alive,

if you could put together a girl band.

Good. Good question. Oh my god. Okay, I

have a real one and I have a fake one.

Okay, great. Okay, the real one would be

me, Karen Carpenter. Um,

uh Beyonce

and

Oh, maybe like Queen Latifah or

something amazing. Something so sick.

Dana Owens. I'm like, I love Queen

Latifah. I'm like, please. That would be

so hard. Have you Have you ever met her?

Again, I was forced. Yeah. By Cara. How

funny. She takes me up to everybody that

I'm scared of. She is so great. Like no

surprise, but she's [ __ ] amazing.

She's amazing. She's [ __ ] amazing.

She's so [ __ ] cool. And it was also

just like so she is like timeless. She's

so timeless to me. So that's your real

band. Then what about you said you had a

fake one. Yes. Fake band is me, Nene

Leaks, Ellen DeGeneres, and Wendy

Williams.

That's the one I want.

That's the one I want. Yeah, that makes

sense. I want that bad. keep talking

about it. I'll take Who would be your

manager of that band? Um, probably Cara.

She'd manage it. Yeah. Yeah, she'd she'd

manage it. I don't know how much like

managing would be like done, but I know

that she'd manage it. And who would be

your opening act if you guys went on the

road? Maybe like um like you as your

character from Inside Out. Oh my god. I

would dress up as Joy and be your

opening act. Yeah, that'd be super cute.

That would be but no like head like face

paint. Okay. Like your true face. Yeah,

that would be like an acid trip. I would

love to do acid while doing that.

Totally. I'd be like, "This is [ __ ]

awesome." And then we also get Ellen to

like do Dory as well. That would Oh,

hold on. Now I see it now. Thank you for

that. That's great. So, I'll come out as

Joy from Inside Out and then Ellen will

join me as Dory. Oh my [ __ ] And then

you assume that's all we're going to see

about crying. She comes back. She washes

her face paint off and she comes back in

the van as a girl group. Yeah.

I mean, [ __ ] Yeah. [ __ ] is right.

That's sold out. As you as you would

say, that [ __ ] No, that [ __ ] Yeah,

that [ __ ] That does [ __ ] Yeah. Um,

now, um, what are you listening to these

days, watching, doing? Like how do you

check out when you're like when you need

to rest your brain or get away from the

hard stuff? What's making you laugh?

What are you Where do you go? I watch

Are you Oh, sorry. Go. No. What do you

watch? No, I'll cut myself. I love to

hear what people are watching. I watch

SVU.

Okay. I watch SVU. Which one? Law and

Order with um Christopher Maloney. Uh

Metate. That's right. So, talk to me

about why that um that that's a good

checkout for you. I love them. Yeah, I

love them. Like, what the [ __ ] are you

doing? Yeah. It's also the writing on

that show is so crazy. It's so crazy.

It's like got a burp dead. Yep. What a

shame. Raped. Absolutely. Whoa. No

trigger warning, right? And then it's

like cut. It's so intense and there's so

much going on. and you're like, "Holy

[ __ ] this is um either I can't tell if

this is awesome or if it's so so bad."

And I think everyone would agree with

that. It's quick and I need something

that's quick cuz I don't want time to

think about something else cuz then I'll

start tweaking. And I also think

Christopher Maloney is kind of [ __ ]

jacked. And it's it's hot. He's not kind

of [ __ ] jacked. Super jacked. Have

you ever seen the picture of him in like

a middle split when he did like Men's

Health? this one. Love it. I'm going to

say something. And I love Christopher

Maloney. I did a movie with him. I don't

like men doing splits. Can I be honest?

I don't like I don't find that

attractive. I Yeah. Straight woman.

Totally. I don't enjoy flexible men. I

couldn't agree more. I don't like Oh,

this is And some of my friends do this

and that's okay. I do just want to flag

some of y'all do this and that's all

right.

I'm not big into boys flipping doing

back flips. We got to cut that out. Oh,

I don't like Okay. And this is just my

person, right? You don't even like boys,

but this is just my personal preference.

But I totally agree. Any kind of like

goofy gymnastics. Totally. I've just

been like verbally and physically

assaulted by too many like um theater

boys, theater like twinks, the straight

theater twinks who ruined my life as

kids who were like, "Wait, I I do a

flip." And so the director was like,

"Front and center. Front and center."

Like do that flip. Yeah. They're like,

"Come on. Come on, Joey." And like Joy's

only getting front and center because

the director has a massive crush on him

and he can do a flip. This is before

your time, but there was a movie, a

great movie called The Outsiders. Do you

know that movie? heard of it. Okay. So,

it was like based off of a book and it

was all young Rob and young um Patrick

Sees and all these boys and Tom Cruz is

famously in it and he's one of the and

it's one of his first films and he's

like one of the bad guys and I remember

being like he's cool and then he does a

backflip in it and I was like tapped out

immediately out immediately out. I lost

he lost it for me. There's something

about it that's a bit vulnerable. I'm

like wait cut that out. You're a boy.

What are you doing? Yeah. And and look,

I've seen you lift your leg. You are

very flexible.

Now, girls can be flexible. Boys

shouldn't be flexible. Boys shouldn't be

allowed to be flexible. Cut that [ __ ]

out. Cut that [ __ ] out now. But I've

seen you sing and lift your leg like

this where your leg is like up. And that

that too is similar to the flipping.

Something that people shouldn't do when

they're singing. If you can do it, you

should do it all the time. Oh, if you're

like dancing or doing something [ __ ]

incredible, absolutely. But like people

shouldn't do what I did. That was weird.

I take back my thing though about boys

in gymnastics for one one reason. Two

times I found men doing gymnastics

exciting. One was in Foot Loose when

Kevin Bacon's stunt double um during his

dance break. He swung on a high bar in a

barn and I was like, "But that's cool.

That's not cool. That was cool." I was

like, "What are you doing on that pole,

you little [ __ ] That's cute. That's

cute. That was cute. Okay. And I I liked

it and I I didn't it didn't bother me.

Yeah. And um the other one was that

great gymnast that was on the pommel

horse that with the glasses. Obsessive.

Okay. Cute. He can do that. But that's

like their that's his job. That's his

job. You know what? That's his job. If

back flips are your and splits are your

job, do it. Do it 10fold. Go for it.

Love it. You're good at your job.

Commit. If you're just doing it in the

middle of the street,

keep walking. And I'm not saying that

like if I could flip, which I can't. So

I'm not like I'm not hating because I

can't do it. Are you Wait a minute. Hold

on. You just brought something up. Do

you think we're hating on it because we

can't do it? Literally, no. I think it's

weird. I'm sorry. And that's And by the

way, that doesn't mean that other people

should say it's weird about anybody

else, okay? Because I really like I love

my friends and if they want to flip,

[ __ ] flip. It's just not my thing.

It's not my thing. You know, if the back

flippers come for us,

they're going to [ __ ] whatever. I'm

ready. If the back flippers come from

us, we can just run away cuz they're

back flipping all the time. But they'll

kick us. They will kick us. Think about

the strength in that in that thigh. I

mean, have you ever done this where I

love Law and Order? The original Law and

Order, the first like 12 seasons like

with Benji Brat and I've never watched

it.

I'll lock in. It's so good with Jerry

Orbach and Esapatha Merkasen as um the

lieutenant. It's just like it's it's the

early Law and Orders that every it's the

you know Sweet Generous. It's the mother

ship that all of them were based off of

and

they have that little exchange always

before the bump bump and you can

sometimes guess guess the last line.

Absolutely. I love doing that. Oh my

god. There was one last night I wish I

could remember cuz it it's just so

crazy. It's so crazy. It's in I'm like I

can't imagine

delivering that line, right? Like

there's a you know a body found in

Central Park and someone's like, "Yeah,

it was during the marathon, you know,

and uh and uh the the the suspect was

found here under the tree." And then

Jerry Jerry Orbach comes over and just

goes like, "Well, I guess he's not

making it to the finish line today."

Exactly. And you're just like, exactly.

I cannot imagine having to deliver that

line. I would walk out. I'd walk right

on out of a set. I'd be like, you know

what? I disagree. I think you'd nail it.

Oh my god. I could my like what's it? Um

suspension of disbelief or something.

I'm not I'm not good at that. If I get

like if there's a line that I'm like I

can't do this, I like totally shut down

as a as a person. I'm going to say that

you're underestimating yourself because

what I have learned about you, Renee, if

I may, is that you're pretty good at

overriding nerves to get to level up.

You've done it over and over again.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How do you get through

the the scary parts? What do you do? I

really just don't take it seriously. I

just do not take it seriously cuz when I

take myself too seriously, I panic.

Yeah. I panic because it's like often

times it's truly not as much as I hate

to say this, it's truly not about me.

So,

and no one [ __ ] use that against me.

But, you know what? I'm going to just

finish by saying this. I've seen

examples of you being you're like a very

loving and supportive person in real

time. And I know that about you and I

heard that about you. Can you advocate

for yourself the same way? Oh,

absolutely. Okay, great. Oh, with a

quickness. with a quickness. Yeah, cuz

like people, you know, kids are

[ __ ] People are [ __ ] I was an

[ __ ] Like I'm sure there were so

many times I can recall that like people

were [ __ ] to me when I was growing

up in school. And I guarantee that there

were 10,000 times that I was so mean to

somebody else for no reason because I

was pissed at myself or pissed off at

somebody else. So like I don't know.

That's not to say that sometimes I'm not

an [ __ ] I totally am. Yeah. But just

like how you said earlier, you may want

to identify as a nice person soon. I

know. I might need to like tap into that

like sort of like little like pigtail

kind of infinity scarf girl again. Oh my

god, we're back to the infinity scarf.

Perfect. Full circle just like the

infinity scarf. Totally. I'm straight

again. You're straight again. I'm

straight again. I'm That's what I do to

people.

Sorry, ladies. I made Renee straight

again. [ __ ] I know. Don't worry. We'll

get her back. We'll get her out of the

room. We'll get her back. Yeah. Come out

with the lesbians. You'll be You'll be

You'll be gay yourself. I I mean I wish

Oh my god. Literally come out. We go out

every weekend. Come out. Where are you

going this weekend? Literally wherever.

Okay. That's not a place. The problem is

wherever. The problem is I go out late.

Um No. Well, yeah, but like you'll

you'll be so fine. I promise. What time

do you get leave the house?

Like what time do you want to leave the

house? I'm asking you what time does

your night start? Like a nine. A nine?

Oh, that's not bad. Yeah, cuz we'll get

like dinner before cuz you need to eat

if you're going to go out. I can't I

can't do two things. It's either one.

It's out or dinner. I get it. I get it.

I get it. You know what? I'm so sorry. I

can't go. That's okay. That's totally

okay. I'm so I'm so stressed. I'm so

tired. Don't worry. Don't worry. And I

know 9 means 9:30 and then it's going to

take to get our food. lesbians super

late and then and then my stomach is

full and you know eating an ant acid.

Yeah. And I'm going to have to take a

pepsit or something. That's okay. But

have a good time and tell me how it

goes. 100%. I'll send you send you

photos. Renee, thank you so much for

doing this. This is so fun. Thanks for

having me. This was a blast.

Thank you Renee Rap. You were awesome.

And um you know this is the part of the

show where I just give little shout

outs. It's the polar plunge if you will

where we go deeper. So, first of all,

check out Flossy Baby on Tik Tok and

probably other platforms. She's

hilarious and she was at the beach when

Renee fell in love, so she's technically

um she's technically uh good luck. Um

and also, uh because we're talking about

music, I just want to point out that our

theme song, The Good Hang theme song, is

written by the great Amy Miles. Amy

Miles is a singer songwriter from New

York City, my dear friend for over 25

years. She's incredibly talented. She

wrote this for us and so many of you

want to hear the whole song and so um we

want you to go to Spotify. Go to Spotify

and check out Amy Miles and check out

the Good Hang theme song. You can get it

there and um show her some love because

she's so talented and she's my friend

and I love her. Thank you Amy. Okay,

thanks everybody. Never know how to end

these. Bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and

me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by

The Ringer and Paperkite. For The

Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Cat

Spalain, Kaia McMullen, and Aia Xenerys.

For Paperkite, production by Sam Green,

Joel Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss Berman.

Original music by Amy Miles.

really good. Hey