Paul Rudd on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hi everyone, this is Amy Polar. Welcome

to another episode of Good Hang. We're

going to talk to the great Paul Redudd

today. I have known Paul for a million

years. And I love him, you love him,

America loves him, the world loves him.

We're going to talk about some cool

stuff today. We're going to talk about

how he almost lost the part in Clueless

because he had a bad haircut. Um, we're

going to talk about how dumb comedy is

our favorite kind of comedy and maybe

it's not as dumb as you think. And we're

going to get into the absurdity of

existence because that's what we do

here. where we go deep and then we get

really shallow. And we're also going to

talk about his film Friendship with the

great Tim Robinson, which is coming out

soon. So, check it out. And we're going

to start this episode the way we always

like to, which is a fan or a friend or

someone who knows our guest so they can

tell me what they think I should ask. We

have a very special guest, another

member of the Handsome Man Club, and

that is John Ham, who has known Paul

Rudd forever, and I believe is calling

in from the set of a film right now

where he is about to get on a hot air

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Polarino Ham,

please explain explain to me what we're

seeing right now. Uh, you know, it's a

typical day in Hollywood. I'm in a

tuxedo. It's 7:00 in the morning, uh,

with a hot air balloon in the

background. I just got off that hot air

balloon. So, you're telling me you got

off a hot air balloon and you got on the

phone so you could talk to us on Good

Hang and a tuxedo. Well, I assume you're

always wearing a tuxedo. I mean, it kind

of feels that way, right?

How many tuxedos do you own? You know,

when I moved into the house that I live

in now, I think I sold or got rid of or

donated or something probably 15

tuxedos, and I probably still have a

double-digit amount of

tuxedos. None of them fit. Yeah. None of

them fit. I was shocked that this one

fit. This is This is one of mine. They

They said, "Do you do you have a

tuxedo?" The costume designer came over

last night. I was like, "Yeah, I got I

come on. Just come over to the house and

take a look and see whatever tuxedo you

want to have." You're like, "Let's go to

my white tuxedo closet." I did, too. So,

you're wearing your own personal tuxedo?

Yes, personal tux. Well, thank you

because I would expect nothing less. How

much time do you have? Five minutes. I

have I have some time. We're turning

around. So, yeah, we have we have time.

For those that don't know, turning

around is a movie term. That means

you're shooting way other way from what

you just shot. So, you have to move all

the equipment and everything and

everything has to move. That's why all

the trucks are moving and all the uh Let

me see if I can

There's a hot air

balloon. Hot air balloon. There's a hot

air balloon. Listeners, if you're

listening, let me just describe that. Um

John Hop there's a video component to

this because beautiful. There is. There

is a video component. There's He's in a

beautiful white tuxedo and behind him is

a hot air balloon that he just got off

of. Doesn't this frame look like I'm

thinking about a hot air balloon right

now?

Okay. We're talking to Paul Rudd today.

Yes. Friend of many, many years. We do

this thing where we kind of talk behind

their back before we talk about them. We

talk to people that know them. Can you

tell me where you first met Paul? I

first met Paul in St. Louis, Missouri.

Paul was roommates and friends with my

high school girlfriend's older brother.

So this and who then this family was

dear friends of mine too and still

remain. They were all at my wedding like

it's a whole it's a whole thing the

Clark family. Um so Paul came back with

Preston the older brother for

Thanksgiving or something one weekend

and he looked like Michael Hutchkins. He

had like long curly

hair. He had It was It was probably

19

90 89 maybe. And uh he couldn't have

looked any cooler. He had a denim jacket

that he had painted or had had painted

someone painted on the back the cover of

Duran Duran's Rio. Wow. The uh Donald

paint painting that very 80s thing. So

he was operating at a much higher level

than any anybody we had really ever run

into at that point in our lives. Was he

older than you at that Yeah, he's two

years older than me. So he was he was a

a freshman in college when I was a

junior in high school. And yeah, that's

when I first met Paul and it was like he

was funny and and cool and interesting

and and

and you know, a college kid. And did you

become friends instantly? Like you

really connected fast? We we definitely

connected. I would say that you know

Paul that was at when they when Paul and

Preston were going to KU Kansas

University and then when I ended up

going to the University of

Missouri, I went to visit Paul who had

by this point gone transferred out of KU

and and moved to LA and was going to the

Academy of Dramatic Arts. and he lived

in in North Hollywood with Preston and

our friend Bo and I came out for spring

break to hang out with them. That's when

I really became friends with them cuz we

were hanging out in in uh in LA. Thanks.

In LA uh really just making a scene in

1991 92. So we would go down to like the

third street proon

just in jean jackets and like a bunch of

cool guys. Yeah, it was there was a

place called Yankee Doodles that was

like a bar that had uh pool tables. That

was where we went. And you were all like

auditioning at that point. I was still

in college. They Paul had just booked a

big Nintendo ad. So, he was just riding

high. And then by the next time I came

out, when I came out, when I moved out

here after college in '95, he had done

Clueless and he was on the way to go do

Romeo and Juliet and he was on the way

to the to the stars. So, it was crazy.

That's that's uh I watched it all

happen, you know. He was he was he was

he was the first one of us that really

got famous. Was very very cool. That

what was that like to have a like I I

know I remember my first friend who was

famous. Like when I moved to New York,

Janine Gaf was my first famous friend

and it was a trip. What was it like?

They're operating again. They're just

operating in different circles and

you're like, "Oh, right. Those are the

people that I read about. because he

read about them back then. It was like

Premier magazine had, you know, a

feature on Paul or Entertainment Weekly

or something. He was like a big brother.

Big brother for sure. For sure. Even

though he stands about a foot shorter

than me, let's be honest.

Nobody's taller than you, Ham. Look at

you. You literally look like you own

this town. John is now walking through

the fake town in his tuxedo getting

ready to get back on the hot air

balloon. Yes. Yes. Here.

Wow.

You look like a billionaire who's just

having like a day out. This is literally

if I was a billionaire, I would take my

hot air balloon to work. Okay. So, what

question do you think I should ask Paul?

We're we're asking people what I should

ask him. You know, I was because I

listened to your guys thing with the one

you guys did with Tina, which I thought

was so good. And you guys had such a

great rapport. I texted you guys. Um

John's getting in the hot air balloon

right now.

And we um I loved I loved uh you and

Seth and Drachie and everybody coming at

it. I think the question I think you

should ask Paul is at what point or and

I was asking this to Billy Crudup on the

set the other day

what

point or has it happened yet in his in

his career or in his life?

gone to my taking has he lost the let me

know when freaking out

about being good all the time from an

acting standpoint you know what I mean I

don't have that I don't have that stress

anymore yes I love I love what I do and

I love doing it and I know if I don't do

a great job I'll do it again and it'll

be good on the second take or

whatever this is so exciting

Guys, listeners, John is about He's

rolling, I think. Are you rolling? Going

up. Yeah, we're about to roll. So,

that's that's what I would ask him.

Okay. When did he stop freaking out

about doing a good job? Like, is he

settled in? Maybe he Maybe he still

hasn't. Maybe he still hasn't. And I

want to know, when did that nickel drop?

When you come on, I want to ask you that

question. Can you keep your phone on

while you go up in the balloon? I can't

because I'm on camera. Damn it. Oh, I

hate Hollywood. I hate acting. So dumb.

Okay, I love you so much. Thank you so

much for this. Love you, Polar. Can't

wait to see you, buddy. All right,

buddy. Okay, talk to you soon. Bye.

I don't even know where to start. Paul

Rudd is here. So exciting. Rudd, you um

and I have known each other a very long

time. I would say over 25 years now,

maybe. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do you

remember the first time we met? I I was

it maybe at

um I don't Is this a test? It is a test.

Not only is it not a test, but I can't

remember anything. Good. Good. Perfect.

We're right there. Terrible. I want to

say was it maybe

it might have been at a UCB show early

on or there was another time I think I

was at 10th Street Lounge

with Janine GOP maybe. My first famous

friend. Yeah, it was around that. I was

because I we kind of both moved to New

York somewhat around the same time. When

did you move? like 95. So yeah, 95.

Right. From Kansas, he moved. No, I was

in California, right? I've gone to an

acting school for a couple years. What's

What kind of school? The American

Academy of Dramatic Arts. An act. It

sounds like What do they call it? What's

the shortened version of Ada or ADA?

Atta. I don't know. There's Ada, Lambda,

Rada. Okay. I went to Ba, too. I went

and Yeah. I couldn't get into Katada.

That was the next one. And what did you

do there? Did you do like constant

plays? So much theater. Amy, so much

talking about a lot of Let's have our

tea about before I talk about Let's just

enjoy a sip. You know the thing about

theater is the thing is you know Pinter

said once you know I

remember GDO

oh I remember we were doing uh Maufi

when at the Roundwarf uh Bobby and I and

we were in between uh show Guom we were

in between matinea and evening

performance and uh when I was uh

understudying for Danny uh and the deep

blue sea uh I I remember thinking if we

could have done crimes this way of the

heart. Yes. Yes. No, absolutely. It's

funny you should say that because when

uh Renee Abberin and I were doing

mattress once upon a uh we had the exact

same conversation about you know

mattress I once upon a mattress pity

she's a [ __ ] I was in Once Upon by

just buried Tis Pity she's a [ __ ] Um

which is a real play. What was your high

school musical or play? High School

Musical South Pacific and you played uh

Buzz Buzz was just created is Buzz I

think is in the show. He's a pilot. I

think he maybe had a couple of lines but

I loved dramatic films and and and

dramatic actors and I thought, "Oh, this

is what this is what you're supposed to

do." And so um then I got to college and

it was like oh I'm studying Shakespeare

which I'd never done before and found

that I really liked it. Yeah. And what

were you doing to make a living during

that time? What was your jobs? So many

jobs. Yeah, I was going to school. I was

a I would DJ and MC bar mitzvah and bot

mitzvah. That's right. I did for that. I

did that for a while. Uh because it was

I could work on weekends, right? What

was your go what was the party pumping

song? What was the song that would get

people on the floor? Um Um Well, CNC

Music Factory. Yeah. Oh, sure. I mean,

big. That was big. Yeah. There was also

the just the real fun of uh just a

straight up moan mooney that Billy Idol

would do. Uh because

uh come on that part.

Yeah. Here she comes now.

Say hey. Hey now get laid get [ __ ]

And that was like that was I forgot

about that. Get laid get [ __ ] And you

would always find like

13-year-olds going, they were like,

"Finally, are you going to say this?"

And and then I'd look around and see

kind of like the grandparents like

Um, so then you go to school, you come

to New York. I went to this acting

school in California, Ada, which is

where I met Adam, by the way. That's how

we became friends. Tell us how you met

Adam. Your cute So it was I was probably

Adam Scott. Adam Scott. I was probably

21 and Adam was maybe 17 or 18 years

old. Maybe I was 22 and he was 18. Um

and there was like a party. The school

is only like two couple years. It wasn't

big, but um this I do remember the first

time I met Adam and it was uh somebody

was having a party and um we hit it off

right away. We talked and uh I want to

say we talked

about and uh and then and we

became we became pretty tight pretty

good friends not that long after that.

He was he went there after I did um and

then we did a and then we did a play

together. I because I graduated from

that school and I stayed in California

for a few years and then tried to get a

play going that one of the teachers

woman named Diana Stevenson at that

school. She had said, "Let's do this

play about Byron and Shelly called

Bloody Poetry." And uh so it was a small

little cast and Adam and I did it

together. You did? Do you have any

recording of that or anything? It's just

I have I have a recording of the play.

Yeah. And it's the two of you playing

Byron and Shelly. Uh he played Polydori.

He played Buzz. He played Buzz. He was

the Buzz in Yeah. in Bloody Poetry. Did

you audition for any John Hughes stuff?

No, that was a for my time. Yeah, I

loved it. But I did too. But I

auditioned for a different things and I

didn't really get them. And then and

then um the I did audition for Clueless,

which was like the John Hughes things.

And I went in, I didn't really get it. I

was reading that script. I'm like, um

Oh this

is like uh like a bunch of kids, huh?

This reminds me a little bit of those

movies I used to I grew up watching.

Mhm. And then um and then I got this

audition to go in and I I remember there

were other characters that I'm like,

"Oh, that's a that's a cool character."

I hadn't seen the character like

Christian before like this. I liked it.

There was a gay character that was not

being made fun of, but it's like kind of

the coolest character. The bar was so

low then. It was like, "Hey, he's gay

and and nice." Yeah. And it was just

like, "Oh, wow. This is like I haven't

seen this movie really before." Um, and

anyway, so I went in and I asked to

audition for all the different parts and

then they said, "Well, what about re

read for the part that I wound up

playing, which is Josh character?" And

so I did I didn't really hear anything

afterward. And I remember I really I had

long hair and then a couple weeks later

I wasn't even thinking about it. We I I

just went to a I was walking past a

barber shop and I just went in. I said,

"Just buzz my head." I mean, the hair

was down about there. Wow. and they went

and they just went with the clippers,

everything. I was just like, I just want

to cut it all off. And then a week

later, I went into a restaurant and Amy

Heckerling, who directed the movie,

was eating there and she looked at me

and her she was like, "Wait a minute."

She she froze and she goes, "What did

you do? What What did you do to your

hair?" I was like, "I just like shaved

back." She was like, "It's getting too

long." She goes, "You were in you

audition for this

part. We were gonna we were gonna maybe

gonna get this part, but you can't cut

your I was like and I was so I'm like

well if it's meant to be it's meant to

like I wasn't I was so stupidly kind of

cavalier about it. But then I had to do

a screen test for Glue and they put me

in a wig to try and match what my what

my hair is. There is nothing that feels

more manly than a than when you're

trying to get when you're trying to get

chemistry her wig and to get be like,

"Sweetheart, don't pull my hair too

much." Eventually, like enough time had

gone by that anyway, they're like,

"Yeah, this is not going to work. Just

grow your hair out." And so they they

skipped the wig and and by the time it

got to filming, my hair had grown enough

that uh it it worked. Okay. That's an

amazing story because what it says to me

too though and I find this about you as

a person is like you do not have a

grasping energy when it comes to work.

Like

you care about it very much. It's really

important to you. You choose things

wisely. You work really hard when you're

there. But I don't get a sense from you

that you are I don't know. There's a way

the there's a vibe with you and work

that feels like a healthy attachment. It

doesn't feel like

you're what the kids would say very

thirsty and therefore I think it people

really lean into that and like that.

Would you think that would you say

that's true? I to in some regard yeah I

don't think like I don't feel uh

competitive with other actors. I'm a

real big fan of a lot of other actors. I

get really

excited by people who I like are

talented. Yeah. And um I I don't think

this should be torturous. I know this is

something you and I both really share,

which is um it this should be fun. It's

a really fun job. Um you respond to

comedy in the same way I do and that

it should be a fun experience. I like

have you had the experience where you're

working on something and it's like might

be funny and people say, "Oh, if you

find it funny, it's not going to be

funny and you it's supposed to be

torturous otherwise it it won't work. If

it looks like you're having if you think

it's a blast, it's not going to

translate." And I think I I couldn't a

disagree with that more. Agree. What do

you do when you're in a on a project and

you are and you some someone's either

miss like what's your conflict style?

Because like do you get quiet when

you're mad? Do you yell? I certainly

have yelled. My god. Um I uh stop. Okay,

you yelled.

And don't you dare say anything like

that to me. Okay. Ever again. Okay.

Ever. Okay.

Are we done with

this? So, I my conflict style is

probably different depending on who I

have a conflict with. Yeah. And

um more often than not. Uh I'll check

out.

That's what I was going to say. I was

going to say go to sleep maybe. I'll

just be like uh like I'm so tired. This

is going to be over soon. Mhm. If I just

get in this bed and just go to sleep.

I'm just gonna I mean I'm just gonna try

and I gotta ride this out. I can't go

anywhere. I got to do this. Get in one

of those pods and just deep freeze

myself till this gets fixed. That's

exactly right. Deprivation sensory

deprivation tank. Okay. I do want to ask

you about our working together because

we did it quite a bit. We've worked

together quite a bit. We've been so

lucky to work together on so many things

and we worked on the most one of the

most fun movies, Wet Hot American

Summer. And I think it was fun for a

million reasons. It was fun because we

were all in our 30s and we were at a

summer camp. It was fun because a lot of

us were, myself included, were like in

the beginnings of things. Yeah. We were

all kind of starting off. We were and we

had great leaders in Michael Schoalter

and David Wayne who were kind of like

goofing around and and setting the tone,

but also serious writers and filmmakers.

We also met a bunch of lifelong friends

on that movie and it felt very, you

know, pre 911. Frankly, it was like

before the those times. It just felt

like of another era. Yeah. And um it's

like pre like I don't even remember

having cell phones. There were no cell

phones. There was a remember there was a

pay phone. Yes. And everybody would call

Yes. up front. Yeah. Yeah. To their

That's right. You know, significant

others and be like, "Yeah, I guess I'm

up here for another three weeks.

I know. They changed the schedule. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you remember we had to leave

for a week in the middle of shooting?

Cuz there was an actual camp. No,

because somebody rented it out for a bar

mitzvah and we all left for a week and

then had to come back. That's right. I

forgot about that. Now, it's kind of

legendary. People know that it rained

the whole time. 25 of the 28 days or

whatever the shoot was and we had to

pretend it was sunny. Yeah. And it was

freezing cold. Freezing. What do you

remember about staying warm or the

weather when we were shooting Wet Hot?

Uh, I remember in those brief moments

when it was sunny, we all were like, "Oh

my god, it was inc like what can we

film? What can we do? What can Yeah. But

um, you know, I remember the opening

scene that we did when we were all

around the campfire when like when they

playing Jane. Yeah. That it had been

pouring and it was like we're sitting

like soaking wet everywhere and

freezing. It was all freezing. It was

freezing all the time. I remember the I

remember the kind of the clothes we were

wearing at the time. I remember being

really grateful and this isn't the first

time that I'm grateful that like I

didn't have to wear, you know, like Liz

Banks was kind of playing like the the

girl who was a little bit more free,

let's put it that way. And she had to

wear like bikini tops and stuff. And I

remember many times in my life, I had

this feeling where I'd be like, I'm so

happy that I get to wear like a members

only jacket. I'm so cold. Whereas now, I

run very hot. But back then, I was so

cold. I mean, and and I remember being

really grateful that she I remember her

having to dance and it being really

cold. Yeah. Um Yeah. And I remember

going to Salvation Army. Do you remember

that? We would all head out to Salvation

Army. Yep. Because the thing that people

didn't know is we worked very little.

Yeah. There really and and whoever

wasn't filming had because we were there

was a 30 minute drive to Target in the

main I don't even think it was Target. I

think it was just Walmart. It was

Walmart. Yeah. Yeah. It might have been

pre-arget. And um whoever wasn't filming

had to go buy the beer. Yes. For the

night. And we were all wearing like kind

of, you know, Wellingtons and and uh and

then we would all just hang out and uh

drink beer and drink Craig play guitar.

They have guitars and uh play music

really loud, really late. Um do you

remember David Hyde Pierce? Yes. Coming

out to tell us to can you be a little

quieter? Yeah. It was his first he

showed up.

No one. We were all like dumb kids just

wanted to have a blast. Reminder, we

were not kids. We were in our 30s. Or

you were late 20s. I think I was 30.

Yeah, your late 20s. I was 30. And then

um and David Hyper showed up. He was

coming in later, but he was also the

except for Janine, the only one that

anyone would really know. Totally. He

was famous and we were all like, "What

is this guy gonna think?" And we our we

all slept in those kinds of like in the

infirmary. Everyone had these little

kind of their own little rooms and cotss

or whatever it is. And then the main

infirmary where we would hang out as a

group every night till like 1:00 2 in

the morning playing music really loud.

Um was the main part and uh and I

remember it was his first night. None of

us knew him and it was like 1:00 in the

morning and it's so loud. He's filming

the next morning and he's been in his

room and he probably is rehearsing. He's

going. He's a professional. He's a

professional. And I remember he came out

and then stopped in the doorway and we

all it was like the needle on the record

stop. Everyone got quiet and we all

looked and Ken Marino just goes, "Oh

great it's

Frasier." Do you remember that? Yes.

and and and David Hyde Pierce is like,

"What are you guys doing?" Like he was

he was so fun. So fun and cool and and

and it was just like, "Oh, thank God."

Yeah. He was the nicest, most loveliest

guy. He was the best. But he definitely

was like, "What's happening here?" Yeah.

What's going on? And we were like, we

Oh, none of us are working. None of us.

We don't have anything to shoot

tomorrow. Nope. We're here. There's no

telephones. And then whoever w did have

to shoot, we'd all just go watch their

scenes. Just go watch it. We just go

watch it. It was like It was being at

camp. Yeah, it was. It really was. I'm

having a Ken Marino memory. He was

watching the He was He was watching er

on a little like there used to be these

TVs you could hang around your neck. Do

you remember these? Like it was almost

like a portable TV, but it it almost

looked like a monitor like what like

Flavor Flave would wear. like a big

giant clock but it's a TV and you the

strap around your neck. That is my

memory and again I don't remember things

well but he was watching on a small TV

and he came running through the hallway

saying she went back to Clooney. It was

a big moment where um do you remember

this where um Julian

Margar Nurse Hathaway, Carol Hathaway

went back to Clooney like you know met

him on at his boat. Spoiler alert, met

him at his boat in Seattle and the uh he

came running with like tears streaming

down his face saying she went back to

Clooney and we were all like

like I mean we really did live together

for many weeks. It probably was only

like three weeks. I think it might have

been more like five or six. I mean, it's

ridiculous for I mean, with the week

that we had off for the bar mitzvah

included,

I think that's Yeah. Yeah. And that was

Bradley Cooper's first movie. Mhm. I

think was it Banks? Might have been

Banks maybe. Yeah. And that was just so

There were so many great people. But I

don't remember like filming scenes and

everyone's like kind of watching and you

were the one that I would go to and I'm

like, "Was that funny? How was that kind

of what what you know I really valued

your opinion on everything and I would

go uh I'd say go back out there do it

again do it again I'd say I didn't feel

it ask for another one I'd say yeah Paul

you want to ask for ask you ask for ask

for another one now Paul you want to ask

okay then we made a movie called they

came together such a fun movie people

that haven't seen it which is probably a

lot of people because it was kind of a

small movie yeah it was like a fake

romcom

and it was taking all the tropes uh a

David Wayne special taking all the

tropes of like what is funny about those

movies and I would say we we just

screened it again in we just had like an

anniversary was so fun and watching it

again it was like you are perfectly cast

I would probably not cast I would not be

cast in a romcom in that part I would be

the friend in the romcom I don't think I

would be able to pull off the romcom. I

don't have the symmetry for it. But what

is so I disagree, but go ahead. Okay,

thank you. But um little slow on that,

but Well, I didn't want to interrupt

you. Okay, thanks. But um but what is so

fun about it is it is so stupid and this

most stupid stupidest movie ever. And

don't forget in the middle of that

movie, there's a it stops to have a

music video. Yeah. With Norah Jones.

Yeah. Who sang the song from that movie

that Adam Scott and John Stamos show up

and do cameos in. Cuz they come to the

studio. Yeah. The video for the video

the video for the song that's the song

the the on the soundtrack of the movie

is in the middle is in the middle of the

movie.

Paul Red and Amy Polar, the actors show

up to be like, "What's happening here?"

And we're wearing sunglasses. Yeah. And

a soul patch. You had a soul patch. And

a soul patch. And but it's like Yeah. Us

and our street clothes. In our street

clothes. And then our buddies also come

to like play with some of the buttons.

Yeah. They're in this mix not mixing

boards and we're just like hanging out,

goofing around with Norah Jones,

professional, incredible musician. Yeah.

And then after the video ends, it just

goes right back to the movie. Yeah. This

How did this movie get made? So stupid.

It's so dumb. It's so fun to watch

again. It is so dumb. I mean, and I know

we share that like that feeling of dumb.

It's so like I can't It's hard to

explain that feeling of I mean, well, I

guess everyone understands it. That

feeling that you have with your friends

when something is so stupid

and so funny. Oh, I think it is truly

like

the opposite of your own mortality. Like

it feels like you'll live forever when

you're laughing at dumb. Does that make

sense? It makes total sense. It's the

greatest. It's And that endorphin. Yes.

Everything. It just kicks in and you're

like "Oh oh this

entire life is absurd." Yes. All of

this. That's right. Everything. The

absurdity of

existence. Yeah. What are you listening

to, watching? What do you What makes you

laugh right now? All kinds of different

things. I suppose um

when people talk of like comedy specials

and stuff, I always say, "Oh, have you

seen Patrice O'Neal Elephant in the

room?" That's one of my favorites. It's

so funny. It's like the fact that

Patrice O'Neal that we lost Patrice

O'Neal when we did where I feel like he

was on the verge of just being the guy

um is just heartbreaking. Um I think he

was just so funny. Feel that way about

Bernie Mack, too. Yeah. Really, really,

really funny. Gone too soon. And um

that's one of my favorite what I I I one

of the things I just kind of I always

seem to watch. I mean, I like little

memes and things that get passed around,

like the guy jumping into the pool that

it's frozen over and he doesn't know it.

He just like wipes out. That kind of

stuff is people falling. Forget it. I

love it. Um, but I uh I love uh I always

go back to um news bloopers. Oh god,

let's just watch Hold on. Let's just

watch a few. Great. Do you have any that

you remember that like I can Google?

Well, you know, there are these there's

just something so beautiful and great

about people that they they're it's the

news. It's serious. And when something

goes wrong, you know, the gay blind one,

that one is incredible. That is that is

that is the most simp that is the I've

watched that so many times. It's what 4

seconds.

Okay. The blind. It is mountain climber.

Right after the break, we're going to

interview Eric Wyan, Mayor who climbed

the highest mountain in the world, Mount

Everest, but he's gay. I mean, he's gay.

Excuse me. He's blind. So, we'll hear

about that coming up. Okay. As we head

to the break, a little Okay. And as we

head to the break, like and and you

know, Wait a minute. Cuz you you know,

in her in her like, oh boy, I just

messed up. And he is like, I'm just

gonna pretend that didn't happen. Okay.

Okay. So, all right. Oh my god. I'm

sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. Uh, blind. He's

blind.

So, I I love bloopers.

Bloopers. I feel like we grew up with

bloopers. Nothing. When I see people

really laughing and really like there's

in those news bloopers, there's one.

There's one. It's these two guys.

They're speaking a language I don't

understand. It's like I don't know what.

By the way, some of the ones in that

like news in other countries are Oh, I

don't even think to look for that. I'm

gonna I'll go in I'm gonna go like best

news bloopers of 2023 or 22. I've seen

them all. Like global news bloopers.

That's what I'm finding right now. I

will watch those over and over again.

But there's like one where these two

guys and somebody says something and I

don't know what he's saying, but the

other guy says it and he starts laughing

and they both start laughing and they

are crying and they're on the ground

crying and I don't know what the hell

they're talking about and I'm tears

because there's there's God I do love

God, I love that. You know, why do we

love I mean I mean because there's

something it's the opposite of

pretention.

It's pure joy. Mh. It's uh there's it's

defenseless there. It like it's it's the

purest

uh it's celebratory. My wife has said

before and this is such a good idea. She

goes they should have like in hospitals

when people are getting um going for

like chemotherapy or whatever and

they're sitting in the chair for hours,

they should have on screens all around

just bloopers of from people laughing.

And that is a great idea. Great idea.

Great idea. And and and I agree like if

I see people laughing really really

hard,

I'm I'm done. I love it so much. I love

it so much. Me, too. Um speaking of

laughing really hard and speaking, I

think of a show that did help a lot of

people during Hard Times. You were on

Parks and Wreck. You only did five

episodes. Do you know that? I know. Um

but you played a character that stood

the test of time. I

mean I mean if only if only we had Bobby

Newport. Just a a guy who wants to be

liked. Yeah. And who I know. If only.

Right. I mean Bobby at the time means

well just doesn't quite grasp any of it.

He wants to go to the afterparty. Yeah.

Bobby Newport played by you was the like

the rich son of the um Swedom's family.

the the family the Newports that owned

the big factory in the fictional town of

Panee that parks and wreck took place

and Bobby Newport ran against Leslie and

it was like what Bobby had that Leslie

could never get was

that g whiz like I can't believe I fell

into this like I just want to have a

good time you guys. Yeah. I think that's

even a line that that's how Bobby feels

about abortion isn't it? Oh yeah right.

What did he say about abortion? I guess

my thoughts on abortion are just like

want everybody to just have have a good

time. I just want everybody to have a

good time. I mean, come on, guys. What?

And Bobby kept getting flustered by

Leslie wanting it cuz he wants it. Like,

there's that great scene where he's

like, "Can you just drop out of the race

cuz I want it?" Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I want

it. I want it. Come on. Please, you

could do it. Just do it. Come on.

And people are like, I don't I love the

guy. He's great and he doesn't seem to

want it. Yeah. And he doesn't know

anything, but that neither do I. That's,

you know, you're Leslie Nope is capable

and great for that job. Bobby Newport is

not. No. And Bobby was I think was

thinking like maybe I'll just get it and

then Leslie, you can do it. Yeah. How

about that? That's a good compromise.

What do What are your memories of doing

that character? Was such a funny

character. You were so great. Thank you,

Amy. My memories of that were I can't

believe I get to work with my favorite

people in the world. You and Adam and

Catherine and Rashida and like it was

like this is the dream. I mean this is

the you know I remember when you were

talking to Tina on the very first

episode you did where you were saying

you feel like the how the great thing

that can happen if you are able to

sustain enough of a career that you you

can get to a point where you work with

your friends or you get to work with

people you really like because it's not

work it's just it's it's just the best

and I mean it was such a fun character

obviously and the show is so great and

you're so great in it. Um, it was it was

it was just it was a dream. It was a

dream and you know and I was uh I loved

it. I loved every second of it. I loved

hanging out with all you guys and so

fun. It was really fun. It was and that

and it was those scenes were so funny.

Like he got you got to do the stupidest

talk about fun stupid the stupidest

stuff. Yeah. Well, there's nothing

um there's nothing funnier to me than

unearned confidence.

Yeah. Like just

somebody feels like they you know it's

like I've got it figured out and it's

like no you don't. Yeah. Um but but if

it's and if

it's if it's like nice unear like if

it's f it's really funny if it's not

nice unearned confidence. But, uh, that

was the thing of like he had a lot of

kind of unearned confidence, but he had

he was just dumb. Yeah. He wanted to

have a good time. Sweet though, but he's

a nice he he was sweet. He was sweet.

And that and and that was and that was a

fun that was kind of that's a fun thing

to get to play. That's a fun kind of

character to get to play. Would you

would we describe him as like guyless?

Is that the word? Yeah, I think that's a

good way to do it. Yeah, there's Yeah, I

know that word. Yeah, just a really

good, by the way. Of course you do.

[ __ ] great word. Is a [ __ ] great

word. [ __ ] great word. Um, you know,

um, it also was really cool to watch you

and Adam in a in scenes together because

you have you been in a lot of stuff

together? Not a ton of stuff. It's

weird. He's like my kind of like my

closest oldest friend and uh, and we

have but we haven't done a ton of stuff

together. Like would you ever do a movie

together? I'd love it. Should. He's such

a good actor. He is. He's a really I

mean clearly everyone's

obviously recognizing this to him in

real time when he was acting. I'd be

like, "You're acting so good." And he'd

be like, "Shut up. We're in the middle

of the scene." But I'd be like, "You're

acting so good." Well, he's like he's

one of, you know, he's so good. And he

really can play very complex emotional

scenes. Yeah. Um and you really kind of

know what that character is thinking.

And then but then he also has a way of

being able to kind of remove this have

this kind of emotionless

uh removal of what he whatever he's

doing. That's really interesting which

plays into severance I think very well.

You and you can do that too. To be a

movie star you have to be able to make

your face still. You have to be able to

just like get the machine on like

neutral like for everyone to project.

And it's he's very good. It's like a

Greek mask kind of thing. And so Adam is

great at that. And the one thing that I

always thought with Anna when I like

when I met him is he's the funniest he's

got the driest kind of most irreverent

um sense of humor. I mean it was that's

how we became friends because of just he

liked a lot of the same kind of jokes

and things like that. But I I just

watched the severance finale and I

texted him. I was like you are so good

at acting. And then he was like oh

thanks I'm glad you watch it. And I was

like there was so much running

Like I haven't seen it yet. I've seen

the I haven't seen I've been away. No.

So, uh you it hasn't been spoiled. No,

I'm staying away from everything. I

don't look at my phone. I don't do you

know that's why you can't be on TikTok.

If you're on TikTok, you you got about

an hour. Yeah. And then it's then

there's like there's audios made

of and I I know I know. Um so yeah, I've

I've been able to avoid all that. And

I've told him I've like I haven't I

haven't reached out to you yet because

you're seen I haven't seen it yet. Um um

and you're just edging. You're not gonna

you're not gonna watch the finale

because you're like, by the way, I'm not

gonna really watch season two. Uh you're

like, well, we'll see. I'll tell him he

was great in it. Anyway, uh but he he is

he really is terrific and you know that

better than anybody. Well, this is a

perfect segue to male friendship. Okay.

Because you have So, let's chug Hold on.

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I mean,

this was that is such a good I'm out.

Let's get some Let's get six more teas.

I got to cover this. So, you're So, for

a sponsorship, no one knows what I'm

drinking. You can't see any labels. You

can't. No. The inside of my mug is

filled with labels. I lose that cap in

case someone figures out. And then, by

the way, this is some I should say this

is my Oh my god, Paul's peeing under the

desk. Look, this is a long podcast and I

don't want to walk away and interrupt

the flow. so to speak.

Have you ever done that like on a trip?

Pet peed in a bottle? Never. I have.

Really? That's great to hear because you

know you are I mean you're there's not a

lot of straight men like they you're the

first Well, I guess I I guess there's a

few but you are a straight white male.

I mean so I feel seen. So how's that

going for you? cuz it's, you know, it's

not easy up there. I mean, by the way,

straight white male in his 50s.

I mean, now's our time,

but you guys get to pee in bottles.

Yeah, that's the road. That is true. It

is one of the good things. You do. You

get to pee. You get to do a lot of like,

you know. Yeah. Pee in like straight

white men get to pee in bottles or like

and up until just five minutes ago that

was okay. Now, people are like, "Maybe

don't throw your pea bottles out on the

street." And and straight white males

are like, "Fine, whatever. Whatever.

Howard Hughes did it."

Um, but straight, you have a movie about

two men and the friendship between them

with the great Tim Robinson and it's

called Friendship. Yeah. And it is I got

to watch it. You did? Yes. I watched a

screener. I'm trying to do my homework

as a podcast person. God, you're good.

And um it's so tiring. Oh, movies are so

long. They're like 2 hours. Yeah. By the

way, everything's long and having to do

it's even if it's like something you're

interested in with pe people, you know,

or like it's all work. Yeah. But I did

really want to watch the movie, I have

to say, because I love you. I love Tim.

I loved Tim is is Andy D. Young is

awesome. Isn't he great? He's great and

the director and writer and um

uh it is a movie it is such a good movie

about the loneliness epidemic of men and

the attempt at making a friend and then

like what goes wrong right like how I

mean it's about missing I mean it's Tim

Tim at his timist which is like he's

missing the clues and he's getting them

wrong I know and you play this really

really

funny. Like he's kind of

a tenderhearted nerd. He's not as cool

as you think he is as you learn to be.

No, not at not at all. Okay. Friendship

though, you've done a couple movies

about that. Yeah. One thing that I feel

like

um I've always had like I've

I've been good at in my life is picking

friends. Um, it's the one thing that

even like when I was in grade school and

I didn't I was not like the oh I'm

friends with everybody like I was not

that kid at all but

um I I could I think I had a I could

recognize like nice people. And so my

whole life, my all my friends were they

were kind of funny and nerdy in all the

ways you want your friends to be nerdy

and uh and decent and um and

so I just want to like, you know, it's

like you want to hold on to people you

care about. And and and the other thing

too is, you know, you and I were talking

about this. It's I I think in a way we

we live weird lives because they're

public lives and it can be a little

overwhelming and you know and with the

noise of the world and the noise of this

job and everything else is you kind of

want your world to be smaller. I each

year that goes by I just kind of want it

smaller and I want the important stuff

to count. And to me, the most important

stuff that I've learned, probably

because I'm now 55 years old, is that um

oh, the the pinnacle, the height of it

is just being with the people that I

love and and really laughing with like a

bunch of uh friends. It's the greatest.

It's the best thing there is. And so

that is uh I I just always try and

cultivate that. Well, we tried to

cultivate it by um talking to your

friend John Ham today. Oh, so we have

another long time friend. I know. I've

known John longer than I've known Adam.

And and it sounds like you were a big

brother to both. Like you were old

you're a couple years older than both,

right? So we do this thing where we talk

we kind of talk well behind somebody's

back um and try to figure out um stuff

that they think I should ask you. So, we

talked to Ham before you came in today

and John Ham from um from uh Mad Men and

for those five people that don't know

who I'm talking about. And um let me

just explain what he was doing when we

spoke to him. He was wearing a white

tuxedo of his own.

Yeah. He was on the set of a movie,

which I think you might also have a part

in at some point or maybe we'll see.

Yep. He was working on a film uh and he

was getting off of a hot air balloon

that he had just been on and he spoke to

us in the 10 minutes before he had to go

do another take and so he spoke to us as

he got on the hot air balloon about you.

Oh my god. That's incredible.

Incredible. And he was really sweetly

talking about the first time you met

long hair. You had your long hair. You

had your jean jacket and you remember

what was painted on it? Yeah. Uh that I

had painted on the back of it. A Patrick

Nagel. Uh yeah. You had painted it. I

painted it. Okay. I'm like, I need this.

I want to get a good acid wash jean

jacket, but it needs a Patrick Nagel

print on the back and I'm just going to

have to paint it myself. Mhm. Yeah.

Beautiful. He remembers that. He was

like he was the coolest guy

ever. and um he was talking about how

you guys met and it it was very sweet

because it made me think about both Adam

and John and you have known each other a

really long time. I've known John since

he

was I want to say maybe about 16 years

old. What was a 16-year-old little ham?

Although was he ever short, but no, he

was all uh he might have been 17. 16

around there. Um he was uh Well, talk

about the coolest guy in the room. It

was not me. Yeah, I recognized that in

him right away. He was really handsome.

He was smart. He was um athletic. He was

all of these things. And I know all of

this cuz he was friends with the girl

that I liked. Uh that he was and that

was how I was he with the girl? Yeah.

They were they used to go out and then

they and then they were Yeah. But they

knew each other for years and years way

before me. And um but I was always a

little bit like uh okay this guy,

yeah, oh, how do I compete with that

guy? And you're like, I'm going to grow

my hair. Yeah. And I'm going to get her

away from that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to

grow my hair like she's going to look at

my hair and go, "Wait a minute. Do you

know Michael Hutchkins?"

It's funny that you say that cuz Ham

described you as M like Michael

Hutchkins. Michael Hudgens. Well, that's

that's high praise. you were I but I

like what you're doing. You're like I'm

going to go the other way. I'm going to

go I'm going to be the art art guy.

Well, I was, you know, I was certainly

drawn to that and I I think that was

probably because I didn't have the

ability to beat the other guy because

Ham was the sports guy. Ham was like Ham

was sports and he was just you know I

remember we were we I have such a vivid

memory of all of us playing Trivial

Pursuit and uh I'm just meeting John.

The girl that he was friends with that I

was dating at the time. We're all

playing she we're playing in teams and

he would roll and immediately go like oh

sweet I'm going to go to history. I'll

go to yellow. Oh yeah that's a power

move. And then it's like, it's not arts,

not pink. Not pink. I'm going to

entertainment every time. Of course. And

he's like, Dallas, this guy is going to

yellow. Yeah. And then all of a sudden

it's like he gets a question. What's the

biggest lake in Africa? And he's like,

"Victoria." That's a pie. That's a pie

piece. And I'm sitting there going, then

he goes over to green like a real

[ __ ]

Science and nature. Are you Are you

going to be that guy? And so, uh, I was

so kind of, here's what I do remember

afterward after that game. I'm like, I

should probably like read read some, um,

atlases. And I read an atlas to know

about the world, to know where countries

are. Yeah. Because because this younger

guy Yeah. who is clearly superior and

was I probably did he was he were

dating. Yeah. But they were friends, so

I was a little threatened. Wow. That's

so and and I want to get this girl on.

Well, we eventually became like, you

know obviously

uh after a while, and it's a longer

story, but we did become really really

tight. Yeah. And really good friends.

Yeah. Um and uh and it's great. We've

been really great friends since. I know

you all are. One of the things that

really makes me laugh like what makes me

laugh and it is and I have told this

story and I have nothing to do with this

story but it's when you got the news

about your doctor I know and he was

hosting SNL

the best it's it's so smart and do you

will you tell it yes I I mean I I think

he has also told it a lot too so I you

know uh but

um John Ham was the host and and you

hosted like two weeks after, right?

Yeah. So, not that long afterward. Yeah.

Yeah. That was 2008. I was pregnant with

my son Argie. Um Ham was the host. I was

supposed to deliver the baby on Sunday.

So, I thought I was going to do the show

on Saturday and then deliver the baby

the next day. Like, which wow. True

psycho. Like, I just thought like, well,

this makes sense and I'll have the baby

on Sunday. Um and uh I learned my first

of many lessons of like your kids are on

their own schedule and they don't work

with you. Um, but we rehearsed all day

on Friday. I was in nine sketches or

something that week. Um, six days before

I had done the Palin rap. I was still

feeling pretty good. John was the host

for the first time. Friday, we're we're

shooting like a Mad Men pretape. Uh, I

get a call that my OBGYn has passed

away. A wonderful doctor who was in his

80s, who was this incredible doctor. um

he passed away and I burst out crying on

the phone and when you see a very very

pregnant person hysterically crying it's

very scary. Yeah. And the whole crew

gets really quiet and I go behind a

partition to talk and um I find out the

news and I come out and everyone's like,

"Are you okay?" And I said, "Oh my god,

my my OB/GYN just died. He just died

passed away of a heart attack last

night." And it gets really quiet and Ham

leans in and says to me, "This is a

really big deal and I need you to get

your [ __ ] together. This is the first

time I'm hosting and I need you to

[ __ ] It's a big week for me if you

got to pull it together." And I go from

crying to laughing so hard that you know

like like squirts like like squirt tears

come out and I start laughing like

clapping and laughing. And it was and it

was so fun and funny and um and again a

great example of like life is like life

is what you say it is, right? It's it's

life is what you make it and what you

say it is. and he made me laugh so hard

and I went into labor that night and I I

think a lot of it was that because of

the the emotional roller co of that and

I think it's it's also not just a

testimony to him to you that he knew

that it's like you're going to find this

funny. Yeah. And it's because that's

that's because that's you. Yeah. I mean,

he he was so great in that episode. And

in fact, um, uh, Seth Meyers and Lonely

Island have a great podcast about, you

should check that out about that ham

episode. It's really good. Um, and they

talk about all that stuff happening and

how everyone had to fill in and Seth had

to do update alone and it was like this

incredible. I remember. And he did the I

know. Incredible night. Yeah. Um, and

uh, and yeah, and kind of a big day for

me, too. Um because I delivered a baby.

Um wait, what? Yeah, not to brag. Not to

brag. Um but uh Ham wanted me to ask you

this before we go. Do you still worry

about doing a good job every time you're

acting? Like you know, and I I think the

deeper question there was like when you

get to a point where you can approach a

job without that worry about whether or

not it's going to go well or you're

going to do well, are you there? And if

so, how did how and when did you get

there? Yeah. No. No. I I I still worry.

Um I sometimes think like I think I'm

getting worse at this.

Um if if you can get worse this um

directors listen up. Yeah. No. Uh there

there are times when you know it's such

a it's an a strange thing where it's

like sometimes on one day or something

you feel like oh this is uh I got it. I

know how to do this. I feel like I've

really kind of figured some things out.

Just I've I've got my at this point way

more than 10,000 hours in and um and

then other times you're

like, "Wow, I'm not I don't I can't do

that. I I don't know how to do this and

I don't and it's the the mystery of it

is a

little frustrating and and bewildering

and um so I do feel

uh I like I don't have a handle on it

all the time but I do

feel also more relaxed about aspects of

it. Um, I know how some of this stuff

kind of just the the technical sides of

things how they work. I understand

editing. I understand

um how like I can it like I'm you can do

a scene. It's like I'm picturing it as

how the editor will see it or a director

and where you would do a cut point and

these kind certain things you just learn

over time. Um, but I don't but I don't

ever feel 100%

um comfortable. I don't I don't think.

Um, do you ever watch a scene and think,

"I wish I did that differently." Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Um, certainly. And you have

that thing on like the drive home,

you're like, "Oh, why didn't I, you

know, say that or um um I have a scene

in Wet that makes me think of that is

when the scene where we're like out in

the town." Mhm. I remember like um we're

all supposed to be like, you know, it's

that joke that we go out in the town for

day for the for the hour. That's right.

We go out for the hour and then we all

turn into you know drug addicts

basically by the end. We're in we're in

a you're sitting next to the crackhead

and we're smoking crack at the end of

the hour. Um, and I I I sometimes,

especially early on, and maybe still,

there's just times when I went pretty

big. And you know, I think I think back

and I just think like, I wish I just

like dialed things down a little bit. I

just I made some choices. Sometimes they

worked, but sometimes they just I it

would have been

maybe that's one scene that I look I'm

like I wish I had just gone a little

smaller and I think it would have been

funnier. Is there anything that comes to

mind that you Yes. Here's what I would

say to that though. I think you're

wrong. Um and and what are you going to

say? I'm right. What are you going to

say? I think you're hilarious in that

scene. Thank you.

But it's a little big. I I sometimes

think, you know, people say less is

more. Sometimes more is more.

And

uh it's it doesn't you go big if it's

like coming from a a real place. I I

think that was you were hilarious.

Please stop yelling at me. And don't you

ever look at me. Okay, Amy. Look at me.

I am.

I don't want to. I'm looking at you.

Okay. You're not looking at me. You're

looking at the table. I'm looking at

you.

You're not. This eye is kind of looking

at me and that eye is looking at the

Sometimes I think I go too big. I'm

worried. I'm worried about it. That is

such a That is such a good God, you

still surprise me. I don't think I've

seen you do that. It's like that the

just just the weird just or you just

look right over this. It's like doing

the that weird thing. It's like there's

no real um there's no there's nothing

particularly like specific about it.

It's like something's off. But you don't

really know. I don't know what you're

talking about. You know, it's like you

the like that is that is you've clearly

like you need corrective lenses but

you're not wearing them. Just my I'm

when I get tired my eye gets a little

got a little wonky eye and you look like

I just have a thing with my lips. You

got a little surgery. You just got a

It's not that I got a little surgery.

It's maybe that I need a little surgery.

I love you, Paul. Thank you for doing

this so much. It means so much. Thank

you for doing it. Oh my god, I I'm so

happy to do it. You're great at it.

Check out Friendship coming out in

theaters. No, there's no theaters. No

theaters. Theaters. Yeah. But Oh my god.

They still exist. I don't know if people

go. No, they don't go. I'll tell you

though, they should go for you. You

look, you know me. I don't want to go in

my living room and my couch. I don't

promote anything. I It's the lamest

thing ever. I don't want everyone to

talk about it. We didn't talk about

this, but I will say Tim Robinson is

freaking hilarious. He's got He really

is like kind of the guy. Hilarious. I

got to see this movie with in a theater

with people and I was like, "Oh my god,

I forgot what it's like to see something

that like everyone is laughing at like

and having that kind of shared

experience." And it was really it was it

made me so happy and also kind and like

nostalgic and and like almost sad like

oh yeah this used to exist. Remember

like I still love this too when you

watch previews and there's always some

joker that's like no thanks you was like

you know like oh god I love that even

just someone going like woo.

I I remember as a teenager seeing uh

Foot Loose. Oh, I saw that in the

theater eight seven or eight times. I

saw in the theater. It was so good. I

went back and watched it the next night.

I went twice. Yeah. Yeah. So many times

that movie in the theater. I got to get

Kevin Bacon on here. Oh, you got you've

got to Foot Loose is Ren McCormack in

the in the back. So, I remember this

scene where John

Lithgo hits Oh, yeah. his daughter. Oh,

Lori Singer. Lorie Singer. And hits her

and then it's shocking and it cuts to

the next scene and he's feels terrible

and he's saying to his wife, Diane

Wuest, I've never had anyone in my

entire life. And somebody in the back

row goes, liar.

And the entire theater lost their [ __ ]

And I was crying like that's the

funniest thing. Liar.

Liar. And to this day, I still think of

it. Yeah. And it's like I was 14 years

old, whatever, however old I was, maybe

older than that, but like

um you don't get that at home on your

couch. You don't get it at all. You

don't get it all. That's what Paul and I

want to encourage people to shout out at

the movie theater. That's right. That's

what it's there for. Whatever you want.

You know what? You know, the fabric of

society is praying. Just say, do say

whatever you want. And look, if you

can't think, if you're in the movie

theater with people and you can't think

of something to say, just get on your

phone, Google some

things. Look, scroll or shine a or take

your put your flashlight on and try to

find somebody else who's enjoying that.

Yeah. Yeah. Go like, "Hey, what should

we yell out?" Yes. Or, you know, if

you're if you really like something, run

up to the front. Yes. And stand in front

of the screen and go, I really like

this. How about this? What do you guys

think? Anything to get you there. Yeah.

Oh my god. Okay. I can't wait to go to

the movies. All right. Love you, Paul.

You're the best. Thank you for doing

this.

You know, I realized with both John Ham

and Paul Rudd, I mentioned Janine Goff,

who was one of my first friends in New

York. And like I said, kind of the first

person that I met who I had seen on TV

first.

And, you know, I just want to remind

everybody to take a listen and a watch.

Uh Janine has done so much great comedy

and remains such a sharp and funny

um

deeply interesting, curious person who's

you know still performing and still uh

you know she's just like a Gen X legend.

Janine, we used to care about selling

out and she never did. And um Janine was

always so kind and so helpful to a lot

of young comedians and actors and

people, myself included. She was

instrumental for a lot of us in, you

know, I don't know, feeling cool and

feeling like we were part of a club. So

watch Truth About Cats and Dogs, watch

Romeo and Michelle, um you know, uh

Reality Bites, um watch the Larry

Sanders show. Janine is just

consistently good and such a good actor

and so funny and um I just uh I'm just

feeling nostalgic for our times together

and um maybe hope she wants to come here

and talk to me. So uh thank you for

listening to another episode and we will

see you

soon. You've been listening to Good

Hang. The executive producers for this

show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss

Berman and me Amy Polar. The show is

produced by The Ringer and Paperkite.

For The Ringer, production by Jack

Wilson, Cat Spalain, Kaia McMullen, and

Aia Xenerys. For Paperkite, production

by Sam Green, Joel Levelvel, and Jenna

Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy

Miles.