Maya Hawke on Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Hello everyone. Welcome to another

episode of Good Hang. I'm really really

excited about this episode with the

great Maya Hawk. We had such a good

conversation. We use so many words and I

just love talking to her and we talk

about really interesting things today.

We talk about growing up in New York

City and being a kid there. We talk

about her love of magic and wonder and

uh a life of imagination. And we talk

about joy and anxiety, the characters

that we played together uh in Inside Out

to. also how those emotions interact and

connect in real life. So, it was a great

convo. And as always, we like to um ask

uh someone who knows our guest, a

friend, a fan, someone who has a

question that uh they think I should ask

the guest before we start the podcast.

So, we um are joining with Willa

Fitzgerald. Willa is an actress. She's

on um Pulse right now, a medical show on

Netflix. She was in Little Women with

Maya Hawk and most excitedly she's

joining us from Hungary which I believe

is uh also where Budapesh is. So Willa

can you hear me?

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>> I'm, so, grateful., Thank, you, for, for

calling in from there and thank you for

talking about the great Maya Hawk today.

>> My, delight., My, delight.

>> I, know., Now, tell, me, um, how, you, two, met.

>> We, met, actually, in, Ireland, doing, Little

Women

>> um, in, 20, 2017.

And um I mean we just fell in love. I

think that would be it's it was a love

story. It was a love story for sure.

>> You, um, you, both, were, she, was, playing

Joe, you were playing Meg. What was it

like to play Meg? How what did you bring

to this Meg?

>> I, feel, like, my, my, personal, mission, was

to bring a humanity to her cuz I feel

like she's often sort of like the she's

like the the two perfect sister a little

bit which is I think why people don't

love her and relate to her. and she also

feels a little bit um you know out of

our time in the sense that she makes

very classically gendered choices with

her life. And so I feel like I feel like

my personal mission was just to like

kind of elucidate why we should like Meg

and why we should understand her as like

a really kind of relatable lovely

character. And I think we did it I think

we actually I think we did manage to to

pull that off.

>> And, here, you, are, two, young, actresses, at

the time joining this production. I

think it for Maya it was her first big

production. And what did how did you

what did you uh see in each other? How

did you become friends? We really just

like bonded because I had already been

working, but I I was suddenly kind of

entering a new phase of my career where

I was getting to do this project that I

was like just so excited about. And it

was her first job and she was so excited

about it. and and we just, you know, we

would like go to the we were all staying

in this hotel together outside of Dublin

and we would like go to the pool

together or the steam room and just like

talk about what really excited us about

being actors and and we just like really

kind of connected on on like an artistic

level and also I think on just a

personal level because I think we're

kind of very opposite people in a lot of

ways. I think that we both like learn a

lot from the other person and the way

that they navigate the world because

it's so different from maybe the way

that we ourselves navigate the world.

>> How, are, you, different?, Um,, I, think, that

I think that I'm I think, you know, the

most like reductive two-c answer would

just be I think I'm a very cautious

person. And I think Maya is like full of

just like a lust for life and a and a

real sort of like verve that she just is

is unafraid in situations that I

sometimes feel a little bit more unsure

in. I think

>> Maya, does, a, lot, of, things,, you, know,, she

does she's on a Broadway show. She

performs, records music with a lot of

different bands, including solo stuff.

She's,

>> you, know,, she's, writing,, she's, acting.

Like, she, to your point, she, it feels

like she um ventures and is adventurous

in the stuff that she does.

>> What, I, admire, about, her, so, deeply, is

that she just kind of has this sort of

like infinite curiosity and like well of

creativity that she seems to be able to

draw on. She has like a real She's

really interested in just the world

around her in a way that's like so kind

of pure and like limitless.

>> Um,, so, we're, going, to, get, to, the

question you have for for me to ask

Maya, but just before we do, I I want to

say congratulations on Pulse.

>> Oh,, thank, you.

>> I, love, a, medical, show.

>> Well,, you, know,, Maya, was, a, big, reason, of

why I took that job.

>> How, come?

>> Because, she, loves, Grey's, Anatomy, and, she

was the one who made me love Grey's

Anatomy. And when I was calling her and

I was like, I've got this like possible

job. What do you think? I want to talk

about it. And she was like, do it. Like

I will be the biggest fan of this show.

Please.

>> Has, it, been, fun, to, play, that, kind, of

part and like get into the jargon and

get into the vibe of what it would be

like being in an emergency room? What's

What's been fun about I feel like it's

like it's one of the most I feel like in

those sort of situations where you're

like really just playing at a job, it's

a kind of like the purest expression of

like the childhood fantasy of being an

actor where you're like I am now a

doctor and I can now save people's lives

like wow

>> wow, and, I, think, you, know, like, that's

like a really cool thing but no I loved

it. I love I do love learning new things

and I learned so much and I'm also just

like a little nerd and like loved just

going through like the the big ass

medical pamphlets that we would be get

given for every episode and being like

you know oh yeah like watching like

cadaver videos of like the surgeries and

being like wow medical school.

>> Do, you, when, you, I, I, always, try, to, ask

people who are on medical shows when you

cut do you cut into fake bodies?

>> Real, bodies., Just, kidding.

Like, do you ever have to put a scalpel

in? You know, I know that there's fake

torsos and stuff. Do you do that?

>> Yeah., No,, we, we, had, our, like, prosthetics

person was from Walking Dead, so our

prosthetics were like next level.

>> They, were, like,, "We're, going, to, use, some

old zombies. We're going to get

>> Yeah., Yeah., They're, like,, "We, got, this."

>> Okay., So,, thank, you, um, for, getting, on.

And um what question do you think I

should ask Maya today? Do you have any

thoughts? I'm curious whether her sort

of like lust for life, her ability to be

so interested in the world around her

was something that she feels um is

innate to her as a person or whether

it's something that she feels like was

cultivated either by herself, by her

community, by her parents. And um and if

so, like whether there's a specific

moment in which she like recalls seeing

the world in that way from a young age.

You know what's great about that

question is I think people really reduce

um the children of actors and artists in

the way that they talk about you know

what is it like being a you know

considered a nepo baby you know you're

in the same profession as your parents

when in fact like what is it like

growing up with artists that are parents

and how do they introduce you to art

>> and, also, what, is, it, like, being, a, New

York City kid? I mean, a lot of people

uh don't know the feeling of growing up

in the city and what that's like, what

your what you get to see or um or what

you don't get to see, you know, like how

does it limit you and how does it open

you up? And I think that's a that's a

great question. Really well done. You

seem like a woman in her 30s who has her

[ __ ] together. Congratulations.

>> Thank, you., I, mean,, you, know,, it's, all, an

illusion.

>> Really,, really, nice, to, meet, you., Such, a

pleasure. Thank you so much for the time

and for helping me get to know Maya a

little more. I really appreciate it.

Guys, so fun.

>> Thank, you, again.

>> Bye

>> bye.

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>> Maya, Hawk, is, with, me., Maya,, I'm, so, happy

to see you.

>> I'm, so, happy, to, see, you., You, know,, we

haven't seen each other in person

>> since, Inside, Out, 2, premiere

shenanigans.

>> Dude,, that, movie

>> I, know.

>> That, movie, made, people, so, happy.

>> I, know.

>> I, feel, so, seen.

>> What, have, you, had, people, come, up, and, say

to you about that movie?

>> I, It's, been, one, of, the, great, honors.

Like my little sister was asking me the

other day. She was like, "Do you get

annoyed if someone asks you to do the

anxiety voice or do you get annoyed?"

And I was like, "Not at all." Like cuz

sometimes if like if someone wants me to

go put on like an ice cream scooper

uniform, I'm like I'm done with the ice

cream scooper un and like and but if

there was a while where that wasn't

true. But with this movie the that

character I've had so many people feel

so seen by it and like little kids feel

so seen by it and like it helped them

understand their brain better. And like

I'll get a call from a friend's parent

like from like a parent, a a friend of

mine who is a parent, not a friend's

parent. Um, and be like, "Hey, would you

do a recording, like my kid's going

through this hard time, would you record

something in the voice for my kid?" And

I'll be like, "Sure." And I'll turn on

the little speaker and be like, "Hi."

Oh, I know it's really scary when

parents have to go to the doctor's

office and I know that it makes you

nervous and I and I but the thing is you

just take deep breaths and trust that

your daddy will be safe and that the

doctors are going to take great care of

him. And like I um and so I like will do

things like that and I don't mind at

all. I love it because it's so I know I

feel the same. I feel like you and I had

a a couple moments when we were doing

press where we kept looking at each

other like whoa this feels so much

bigger

than us. And the response of the movie

was so beautiful. And uh uh I know that

that is very rare to be in something

good that people like that people go to

see that is a good experience. Those

don't always

>> that, is, good, for, the, world

>> and, that, is, good., That's, like, it's, so, so

rare to have it hit all those

benchmarks. It's like a rainbow.

>> I, know., And, plus, a, billion, dollars, babe.

>> I, saying, for, something, that, makes, a

billion dollars and is good for the

world. I don't think there's anything

that does that. It's crazy.

>> No,, I, mean, it, is, so, true., Like, the, word

billion and good for the world doesn't

go together.

>> Not, go, together.

>> No., Of, anything.

>> What, have, you, learned, about, anxiety, in

the past year? Your own or others

because you played that character

>> so, much., And, I, think, with, like, the, joy

anxiety relationship

I it taught me a lot about showing love

to that part of myself. Mhm.

>> And, like, allowing, other, people, to, see, it

so they can show it love and that that

is all actually a way to calm it down

>> is, like, inviting, it, into, the

conversation like looking at what it

thinks and is worried about and kind of

addressing each point and then ask and

then like offering it a comfortable

chair and saying like okay you're

invited you know you're not I'm not

trying to shut you out behind a door cuz

that of course just works it up even

more.

>> Yes.

>> Um,, and, so, I, think, in, giving, the, biggest

thing I learned from doing this and

being allowed to be welcomed into the

beautiful world of this movie is to give

my anxiety a comfy chair.

>> Yes,, that's, so, well, said.

And for people listening right now, like

everybody is so stressed. Of course they

are.

>> Of, course, they, are., And, I, mean,, anxiety

might be the defining emotion of our

time.

>> It's, been, it, was, so, fun, to, work, on, on, on

those characters together because

when the time is very scary like these

times, you know, you want to find a way

to tune in, check out, help yourself

help other people. Like you want to dip

in and out.

>> Mhm.

>> But, when, you're, just, getting, someone

going like toxic positivity, like this

is great. It's like babe, things are

bad. things are bad.

>> Things, are, real, bad., So,, anybody

listening, I want you to know that we

know

>> things, are, bad.

>> Bad., And, but, also,, if, you, shut, Joy, out

completely, like then you still need to

welcome in some like you're not helping

anybody if you if you shut out joy

completely. Well, there's a beautiful

moment in the movie and it's such a it's

such a um testament to the work you did

as Anxiety and the work the animators do

and the work that um Kelsey man did, the

director and Pete Doctor, the producer

and all the artists and Pete the creator

and just all the writers, Meg, the the

um when

anxiety

uh does a small little gesture to let

when joy is being finally called back.

Finally,

Riley, our character, has finally calmed

herself down on the ice. She's talked to

her friends. She's feeling a little bit

like herself. She gets back on the ice.

She starts skating and Joy is being

called back and anxiety does a little I

told you there's like a little genulect

like a little gesture of like this way.

Like for people listening, you can't see

what Maya and I are doing, but we're

doing a little like

>> like, who, like, your, your, table, is, over

here man.

>> Yeah.

>> It, made, me, cry., so, hard, and, I, just

thought, oh, like the the tiny gesture

of that is like what we're just we must

try to do during this bananas foster

time we're living in.

>> Yeah.

>> Because, that, is, I, mean, whatever, we, can

do babe.

>> Well,, and, to, make, room, for, each, other.

>> Yeah., and, like, and, to, make, room, to, get

off of our phones, which we were talking

about before we started rolling, but to

get off of our phones where we're just

being bombarded by like here's a funny

video of a cat. Here's a video of the

apocalypse. Here's a like here's a funny

joke that that is offensive. Here's a

funny joke that's your humor but would

offend someone else. Here's another

video of the apocalypse. Like it's like

to get out of that and into like, oh

here you and I are sitting with each

other. We're looking each other in the

eyes. We can still do this. Yes, we can

still talk and and be and make space for

each other and like you know look at the

people around us and that we have to

make time to do that even as we make

time to try to figure out what is

happening.

>> I, I, agree, and, I, you, know, I, kind, of

experience you as a as an old soul. Have

you been told that?

>> I, have, been, there's, been, some, agist

claims about my soul made.

>> You, must, get, this, a, lot., People, talk

they roll their eyes about their tw's

20s and what's good about being in your

20s? Oh, what's good about being in your

20s? I mean, I'm already starting to

have more random body pain and but I

know I have less than I will have. So

like it's a more pain-free time.

>> Recovery, is, faster.

>> Recovery, is, faster., Um, um, uh, so, that's

good. I still like I I can still um I

yeah, just general recovery, bounce back

from things more quickly. emotional

recovery, um, indep like independence

you know, it's like this kind of miracle

window before insane amounts of

responsibility, but after independence

where no one's telling you what to do.

And that's like that's the miracle of

your 20s, right? Is that like your

responsibilities are there, but they're

not like usually kids and family, you

know, or they can be, but you know, but

that yet, but they are, but you have

this freedom and that's a cool window of

time. And um, so bounc window is such a

good way to say it, Maya. That like

you're very wise. It's true. It's like

if only one can know the time they're in

and appreciate the time they're in, it's

hard to do.

>> Yeah,, it, is.

>> Yeah., Um,, okay., Speaking, of, the, time

you're in, I want to jump back to little

Maya.

>> Yes.

>> Because, I'm, always, really, interested, in

what it what it's like being a New York

kid. I was kind of a sad kid or like set

point melancholic, you know, like moody

and emotional and homey and like

>> I, But

>> a, New, York, City, kid, is, awesome., You, so

much stuff to to look at and do. Like my

favorite place to go was the

Metropolitan Museum of Art, Temple of

Dendor, because of the mixed up files of

Mrs. Basley Frankweiler. Do you remember

that book? And the kids like was ran

away. for anyone who hasn't read it

they ran run away and they live inside

the Metropolitan Museum of Art and they

sleep in the Queen's bed and they steal

money from the fountain and it's awesome

and I love that book and I loved going

to the Met and I loved going to the

natural history museum and I loved going

to the zoo and there was just like so

much to do activi activity based on a

general as like a little kid and I loved

that and so many different ways to

express all your weird interests like I

had lots of weird interests as a kid. I

loved like dead insects, like the ones

that preserve dead insects and I loved

going to see them at the science museum.

I love rocks and there was like, you

know, just like so much exposure and

different kinds of people you could

decide to be and you so much interaction

with difference. And that was so cool

and I think so rare cuz so many people

grow up in these little communities

where it's like everyone feels the same.

But in this city, you're like

interacting with humanity all the time

and you get to decide who you are, which

is great. And then you get to high

school and it's like being in college

for other people. Like it is crazy. I

went to more clubs between 9th and 12th

grade than I have been since. Like like

it was

>> there's, a, lot, of, pressure, for, New, York

kids to be very interesting.

>> They, There's, a, lot, of, pressure, to, be

interesting, to be adults, to be on the

town. Yes.

>> Um, there's, a, lot, a, lot, of, that., Did, you

ever have like a 13-year-old like I'm at

Studio 54 and I don't know how I got

here. Like

>> you, did.

>> Yes.

>> Where, you're, just, in, a, club, and, it's

like I'm little. I might be too young

for this.

>> I'm, too, little, for, this.

>> Interesting., Seemed, like, a, good, idea, at

first. I'm proud of myself for getting

in here, but now how do I get out? But I

I I love it. I would do it. I would

raise kids in New York. I I I think it's

awesome. An awesome way to grow up.

>> To, your, point,, there, was, an

independence. You took the subway, you

walked around, you kind of figured out

life. What were some memories of that

time when you felt like adult or grown

up?

>> Oo.

>> You, know,, a, moment, where

>> Yeah.

>> you, had, you, had, like, an, adult, moment.

>> Well,, I, realized, in, high, school, that, I

could cut class.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, and, that, like, the, that, there, was, like

no real ramifications to doing it. And

so I started like just doing my own

thing like like during the day and I I

high school I experimented with smoking

cigarettes um which you shouldn't do and

is bad very bad. Very very bad. Do not

do it.

>> You, look, very, cool., Don't, do, it.

>> Yeah., Don't, do, it., Don't, do, it., But, you

look cool. And I but I couldn't buy

cigarettes cuz I was a kid. And so I

would occasionally like walk around to

try to bum cigarettes off people. This

is what I'm talking about.

>> That's, what, I, picture, a, New, York, kid

doing.

>> Yeah., But, I, went, to, school, in, Brooklyn

Heights and the only people who smoke in

Brooklyn Heights are like construction

workers and they smoke Newports and I

hated Newports. So I would take the

subway to this is a ridiculous story to

the East Village so I could bum Marbor

Golds off of cuz people in the East

Village smoke Marbor Golds like outside

McN bookstore. And so I would like take

the sub on my free period, my lunch

break or whatever, I'd like be like ah I

won't go to math today. I'll just like

take a double peer free period and I'll

go take the subway to Greenwich Village

or the East Village and bum a Marbor

Gold off some like intelligent like

handsome man smoking outside of a

bookstore.

>> Some, documentary, film, documentary

filmmaker like sipping a cappuccino. And

I was like I am a grown-up and this is

an adventure. Exactly the kind of story

I picture just getting on the subway for

a cigarette

>> because, you, have, a, preference,, a

neighborhood based cigarette preference.

>> Utterly, ridiculous.

>> I, mean, during, that, time, there, was, a

probably a sense of you when you knew

deep down even in high school like I'm

not going to worry so much about math.

I'm going to be an actor. Yes. I know

what I'm going to do. When did you know

you were going to be an act? You know

when did you feel like I'm going to

really make this my job or my life? I

knew I was going to be like an artist of

some kind. I think I was I mean I think

I was really afraid of being an actor

because my parents are both actors and I

got to see that you know they were as

successful as one as I could ever have

dream dreamed to be in that profession

and still had so much job insecurity and

stress and highs and low moments and I

was like I don't know if this seems fun

and like and you know I had experiences

of like

>> going, to, school, and, like, trying, to, leave

my house with like an umbrella cuz there

was some article out and there was

paparazzi around the house and I was

like this seems

>> like, I, don't, know, about, this., Um, and, so

it wasn't until

>> like, 11th, grade, where, I, realized, that

there was nothing else that I was good

at and liked.

>> Um, and, I, was, like, um, you, know, like, I

just I like this. I am good at it. I

feel like this is my community. Like the

other people who like this, I like them.

And um and they put up with me and

because they'll put up with anyone. You

know, that's great about the theater

community. They will put up with anyone.

Um unless you're mean. Um and uh but

>> I, So, I, just, like, found, my, home, and, I, was

like, "Okay, I'll figure out that other

stuff. This is what I want to do." Okay

this is a great that's a great um segue

into our So, we do this thing at the

beginning of each show where we talk to

people who know our guests.

>> Oh,, no.

>> Yes., And, just, to, talk, well, behind, their

back and and it always kind of helps me

figure out um if there's questions I

should ask

>> my, guest, and, also, to, get, to, know, the

guest more and we talked to your friend

Willa Fitzgerald.

>> She's, the, best.

>> She's, the, best., Now,, you, two, met, on, the

set of Little Women

>> in

>> still, the, greatest, experience, of, my

life.

>> Wait,, tell, us, why., It, was, my, first

professional job. I I had to I I had to

drop out of school to do it and I was

really worried about it and it was like

whatever. I get to Ireland. We're in

this town called Dunl. They've I've just

never had an experience this positive.

We It was the four sisters and and the

guy who played Lori and we fell in love

with each other and we were staying at

this seaside hotel in this port town and

it was uh the Royal Marine was the name

of this hotel and it was like walking

distance from this farmers market and

these restaurants and we just loved each

other and you know it's gone for me now.

I'm already so old. I can't stay awake

forever. But do you remember when you

were like 18 and 19 and you just didn't

need to sleep at all? Like somehow I

could work a full 14-hour shooting day

and then be like, should we go out?

>> Like, and, then, like,, you, know,, and, then

I'll learn my lines and then I'll go to

sleep for 2 hours and then go back to

her. I don't know how we did it, but it

might have just been the raw joy of how

in love with each other we were. Like we

were going to set on the days that we

weren't working and being like, I have a

note. You should try this in the next

scene. We just it was just like acting

acting.

>> It, was, just, like, acting., We, love, it, and

we love each other and we're all this is

Ireland and it's the ocean and like we

did a moon spell where there was a full

moon and we bought crystals from this

guy in town and we put the crystals in

the moon and then we went skinny dipping

in the port and it was freezing and it

was like just

happy. It was happy.

>> Fun., That, sounds, so, fun., I, mean, she, was

I mean she adores you and she was

talking about exactly that like how you

all connected so fast and she was saying

that there is this you have this lust

for life and that um one of her

questions was

do you feel like that's always been a na

like it's kind of what we're talking

about nature versus nurture you're the

you're you know you have you're the

daughter of artists you're looking at

want you want to be an artist do I want

do I want the life of an artist what

does that even look like? But there is

always like this little thing inside all

of us from the minute we're born anyway.

Like did you always feel like you had

that some kind of lust for life? And her

question is, do you think it was innate

or was it nurtured by the environment

that you were in or both?

>> I, think, both.

>> I, think, I've, like, always, believed, in

magic and always believed in love in a

really intense way. And I think that

that was nurtured in me

>> from, a, really, young, age., Like, my,, you

know, my parents are magical and like my

mom like, you know, was this magical

creature who like, you know, would come

home from work and she was like looking

fabulous. But she'd take everything off

and immediately put on like a big velvet

skirt and gardening gloves and go

outside and like teach me how to like

pull up stinging nettles to make soup.

and like and the soup would be a witch's

potion because it was good for you. And

like she just had this magic to her and

my dad would be like, "We're gonna

watercolor together and we're gonna make

a masterpiece and like I'll do this blue

and you do red and we'll see what we

create." Like there was just this

imagination

fostered in in me from a really young

age. And I just like I believed I was

really lucky to get that kind of love

and that kind of exposure to seeing the

world as a place where magic is

possible.

>> And, I, just, it's, like, the, luckiest, thing

ever to have that happen. And I think it

like I always think about it as like the

Harry Potter, you know, when Harry

Potter how when his mom dies, she puts a

spell on him that protects him from

dying um with love.

>> I, kind, of, remember, you, kind, of, know

this. Um

>> I've, read, all, of, them, out, loud, and, I

still

>> Harry, Potter's, mom, protects, Harry, Potter

because of course the mother always has

to die.

>> She, always, has, to, die, for, the, kid, to, be

on an independent adventure

>> in, every, single, story., Yeah., Um,, there's

actually a whole theory about that, but

aside Yeah. about um children's stories

and then you have to kill the parents

and children's stories because that's

how children become the unfolding of

their own story, right? they they they

become little adults because the mother

live long enough to see her child

succeed,

>> god, forbid., Um, but, um, I, always, feel, like

that period of time in my life where my

parents my what my parents did and

>> gave, me, this, magical, spell, like, love

spell where like you know then there

were other different hard times um in

all of our lives but that early

magic's protected.

>> Oh, my, gosh., And, they, do, say, that, like

from like 1 to five or 1 to three like

so much I mean it's a lot of pressure on

young parents but because that time is

so important like but like so much of

your belief system about the world and

how you feel and if you feel safe and

your attachment style is formed like so

early

>> and, are, you, I, mean, because, I, I, sense

from you both introvert and extrovert.

>> This, is, true.

>> Oh, my, god, I, got, it, right.

>> You, got, it, right.

>> So, what, tell, me, about, that., What, how

have you figured that out? Okay. I see

myself as having three cups. There's the

extraversion socialization cup, the

alone time cup, and the with one other

person having an intimate conversation

cup.

>> And, I, need, all, three, cups, to, be, somewhat

full to be functioning.

>> Like, if, I've, had, too, much, parties,, work,

like not no alone time, and just these

two cups are full. Oh, I'm gesturing and

this is audio. But the people you're

making, you're gesturing cups.

>> I'm, I'm, gesturing, cups., But, um, the,, you

know, if I'm then I really feel bad and

I need alone time. If I've got too much

alone time and not enough socialization

I really feel bad and drained. So I'm

always trying to like look at my

schedule and my life and be like, am I

getting enough friend time in oneonone?

Am I getting enough alone time in? Am I

getting enough like

>> energizing, social, outside, in, the, world?

going to see a concert, going to see a

play, going to something like I need a

little bit of everything.

>> I, love, the, cups, um, idea., Um, I, do

something similar where I think about a

refrigerator and I think about magnets

and then I

>> in, in, the, best, day, ever,, all, five

magnets are on the refrigerator, but I

try to get three. So it's like work

motherhood, friendship, you know, uh

spirituality, wellness, some kind of

care, and um and uh what's my fifth

magnet? Uh relationship. So it's like if

you can get three out of five, it's like

today I was a good partner. Today I I

did like some good mom stuff and I

worked a little bit. Or it's like no

today I took care of myself. Today I met

with friends and today I you know um

gave my kids some good advice. Whatever

is the magnets that you can put on

there. Very rare to get five.

>> Yeah., But, you, don't, want, to, go, too, long

without having a day that has like you

don't want to leave one of them off.

>> You, get, a, dusty, magnet.

>> You, don't, want, to, get, a, dusty, magnet.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> We, could, go, we, could, we, you, and, I, could

sell the cup and magnet.

>> I, was, just, thinking, we, could, make, we

could make these magnets. I could do a

separate podcast just about this and we

could make billions

>> billions, of, dollars, and, it, would, be, good

another good billion

>> and, it, would, be, like, uh, with, me, today, is

she's of course the inventor of the cup

theory. Uh she brought me that theory

when I was working on my magnet project

and together cups and magnets

>> we're, touring, the, world.

>> Yeah.

>> Um, okay, you've, finished, Stranger, Things.

It's done. What was it like um when it's

That's a wrap on Maya Hawk. A a series

rap. I know you can't tell us anything

but I do hope you tell us how it ends.

But um of course I will.

>> Great., Thank, you., You, can, tell, me, off

the air. But um uh uh what was it like

hearing series rap?

>> Well,, I, want, to, hear, what, it's, been, like

for you like what it was like for you on

Parks. Like it is

>> you, you, know, it's, I, I, think, for, people

who don't know, right? So if you're an

actor on set, you get um like that's a a

season rap on Maya like season 4. All

right. and you get your last shot and

often people will kind of clap and stand

around and say stuff, but series rap is

a big deal and on a show like yours

which has been such a long journey for

you and for everyone involved and

there's been strikes and there's been

COVID in the middle of all of it and

everyone's gotten older and grown up and

everyone's been watching and watching

and watching.

>> Yeah., Um,, a, good, ad, will, make, sure, that

that that that series rap

means something, that people are there

and they're there for you and like it's

just a it's a big moment.

>> Matt, and, Ross,, who, are, amazing,, wrote, uh

scenes that seem to have some connective

tissue for the characters and for us.

And on this last day of shooting, we got

to film these scenes that had this

beautiful connective tissue. And I

actually think I like learned something

about acting that way that day and being

present in your own emotion as a person

and the emotion of the character and

allowing those two wires to connect. And

I I my life has been changed as an

actor. The way that I act has changed

since that series Rap Day. It

>> and, it, was, so, emotional., I, cried, all, day

long from beginning to end in these like

kind of crashing waves and I just love I

love everybody on that show so much and

it's been so it's shaped me so much and

we've been on such a long complicated

journey together.

>> Started, when, you, were, what, 19?

>> I, started, I, was, 19, which, is, like, you

know lots of them started at like nine

and have been doing it for 10 years and

I've been doing it for seven and started

at 19. So I mean I got nothing on them.

But it's funny that you've been on a

show for seven years and you still think

you're the new kid. That's crazy.

>> I, do., I, do, still, think, I'm, the, new, kid.

And um but it was really emotional and

and

>> I, don't, know, if, I'll, ever, have, another

experience like it.

>> Yeah., I, mean,, congratulations, on, that

show. It's your work is so good. That

show is so great and it really I mean

just to you know I'm sure you can feel

the anticipation growing. I I can't even

imagine, the, press, junket, you're, going to

have to do when this when this show

comes out of like it's going to be

bananas. Um of how you're going to be

talking about like it it that show feels

like

>> I, don't, know, that, the, audience, has, been

with through it with you too. Like it it

feels like the audience has also been

through it.

>> Yeah.

>> I, guess, is, the, only, way, to, say, it., That

the the kids on the show and the

audience have not had an easy couple of

years.

>> No., And, it's, there's, something, about, it

that feels very cathartic about the end

of it.

>> Yeah., And, I, don't, even, know, if, I'm, right

about this, but I have always seen the

upside down as a metaphor for depression

and anxiety and in some ways of like

your teen years.

>> It's, really, hard, to, be, a, teenager, and

the like hor the hormones that get

released, the new emotions uh

that get released of depression and

anxiety and self-awareness and

self-consciousness. It's like a hard

period of life to survive. Um, and I've

always seen the upside down as like

this, you know, portal that opened up to

all those emotions for these young

people and like navigating one's way out

of it and uh through community and

bravery and friendship. Um, it's really

emotional and like the, you know, the

allegorories to what's going on in the

world right now are plentiful and

>> it, means, a, lot, to, me, to, get, to, be, a, part

of something like this because it's

really a once in a-lifetime thing. These

like adventure stories and these hero

stories about kids and groups of kids

grow up with this, you know, they grow

up simultaneously with you and it's I'm

so grateful. I just it's such a special

thing to get to be a part of.

>> That's, so, awesome., And, and, and, you, and

and your friends like Joe and Sadi are

like doing music. You're on stage.

You're all doing a bunch of things

together at the same time. Can I talk

about your music for a second? Because

>> I, would, be, curious, your, relationship, to

you're such a a you're such a a a

talented and multi-talented artist who

can do a lot of things very well. And

like what I imagine for you, what I

picture in the future is us hearing you

writing and directing and producing and

doing so many things as well as acting

and music. But right now you're you have

two very big careers in what are it and

sometimes feel like very dis desperate

ways of participating in the arts. It's

like

if acting acting is one kid and music is

the other.

>> Who's, my, favorite, kid?

>> Yeah., Who's, your, favorite, kid?

>> Well,, okay., The, way, I, like, to, see, the

way I first of all, I don't always do a

good job balancing. I don't have a

favorite kid. I love creativity and I

love storytelling and I see them as

completely connected and like if there

was an outlet in the wall with two

plugs, it's like different lamps that

you plug into the same power source. Um

is how I feel about it. That said, I'm a

much more trained actor than I am a

musician. And I'm a much more confident

actor than a musician. walking onto set

or onto st like you know a rehearsal

period is where I feel confident and

comfortable um and I feel like I know

the rules and I know like I like I like

it there and I feel really grounded.

Music is really scary and it's like it's

like it terrifies me. Performing live

terrifies me. Writing terrifies me. What

people are going to make of my lyrics

terrify me. Like it's all really scary.

So it's the same power source. One of

the lamps is like a scary Halloween lamp

that I like don't totally know how it

works and the other lamp is like my

favorite bedside nightlight or something

that's like this is my comfort zone.

>> And, if, you, want, to, listen, to, Maya's, lamp

workshop, you need to go to the Beverly

show.

>> You, need, to, go, to, Cups, and, Magnets.

>> Lamps, and, Magnets.

>> Cups, and, lamps, and, magnets.

>> No,, it's, so, true.

>> Got, a, whole, product, line

>> just, to, put, out, just, to, manifest, just

for a second for fun.

>> Do, you, ever, uh, like, do, you, ever, think

about

>> writing, a, musical?, No.

>> Oh., Do, you, think, about, writing, a

musical?

>> Yes., But, but, but, that's, not, what, you

were gonna say.

>> Oh, my, god., But, what, musical, do, you, want

to write?

>> I, don't, know.

>> Yes., Okay., The, answer, is, yes., So, great.

Write that. But do you ever have like a

a a fantasy of um being on stage singing

and singing with someone who you like

you know, deeply like do you have a an

artist whose voice a musical artist

whose voice you fantasize about

harmonizing with and singing with? Alive

or dead? You know, I I have a lot of

different people that I love. I am

terrified of harmonizing.

>> You, are?, That's, the, only, thing, that, I

can kind of do

>> really., It, really, scares, me., I, I, am, not

a good harmonizer and and I and it

scares me.

>> So,, what, about, forget, the, harmony,

>> but, just, back, and, forth, like

>> I, like, I, would, love, I, would, love, to, I

would love to sing with Joanie. Um, I I

mean I would have to do like a harmony

like a one note harmony while she danced

all over the place, but I I love Joanie.

I mean, this morning I was listening to

Judy Sill a bunch and I love Judy Sill

and I love Joanie and I'm obsessed with

Adrien Lanker and I am obsessed with

Taylor Swift and I'm obsessed with I

mean I just love

>> You, love, singer, female?

>> I, love, singer, songwriters.

>> Yeah.

>> I, love, songwriters., I, just, think, they're

so cool.

>> And, I, It's, like, almost, that, fantasy, is

more like to get to write a song with

someone. Yeah.

>> Not, like, singing, it, and, performing, it, is

less the dream. It's like writing a song

with someone. That would be the dream.

>> Ooh,, I, love, Okay., And, speaking, of

writers and and artists, you have worked

with in the in in in films, you've

worked with really talented uh distinct

voices. Wes Anderson, um, Bradley

Cooper, Quentyn Tarantino.

That that experience of getting on a set

with someone who feels like they have a

very strong sense. Do you like that? You

like like being in someone's simulation

basically. Do you like jumping in there?

>> Yes., I, find, it, extremely, fun, and, really

relaxing.

>> Yes.

>> Um,

>> you, were, in, uh, once, upon, a, time, in

Hollywood with like five actors. You

were all playing Manson. Manson show

Manson people. Mansonish.

Mansesque.

>> And, did, your, mom, give, you, um, Thurman?, Is

your mom did she give you any advice

about working with uh Quentyn? Huh?

>> Keep, your, shoes, on.

>> Keep, your, shoes, on,, man., Baby,, keep, them

on, baby. You're going to try to get

>> Keep, them, on,, baby., Keep, them, on., Keep

those shoes on.

Perfect advice. Perfect. Did she come to

the set?

>> No.

>> Yeah., It's, weird, to, have, your, parents

come to set. Yeah

>> I, know., It's, just, I, don't, even

>> Well,, I, don't, even, find, it, weird., The

shoe just wasn't in town. We're New

Yorkers. It was LA

>> right?, She's, like,, I'm, not, going, to, LA.

No, I have too many things to do.

>> I've, been, to, that, set, cuz, I, was, a, set

kid. I think it's the best place on

earth.

>> Okay,, tell, me, about, sets, you, were, on

when you were a kid.

>> Oh., Oh,, so, many., I, mean,, one, of, the, most

memorable ones was the set of my super

ex-girlfriend because I got to get into

the flying suit

>> and, there's, a, movie, that, my, mom, did.

It's really good and really funny and

but she had she was a superhero and so

she flew in it and I got to beef like I

got to get into the thing and like fly

across this studio and I but really the

thing I remember about sets is they all

blur together except I love Crafty

>> and, I, loved, the, it, was, like, this, safe

little world where I could be alone. So

like no one needed to be watching me. I

could walk over to Crafty and take

cookies and M&M's and gummy bears and

get them and I could go watch the stunt

people practice and then I could go

watercolor in the trailer and I could go

to the costume shop and help them sew.

And it was just like Disneyland

basically where I was independent and

left alone and allowed to explore and

allowed to just like park my butt at the

monitors and watch take after take after

take after take. And it's really where I

fell in love with acting was backstage

at the theater and on set. And so I

think it was the most fun thing ever.

What always shocks me is when I invite

people to come to set that they don't

want to come and when they come they get

bored. I'm like, "What do you mean it's

Disneyland?" And they're like, "You just

did the same scene nine times from one

direction and then move the camera and

are doing it nine more times. How on

earth is this like Disneyland?"

>> This, is, so, interesting., I'm, the, exact

opposite. People want to come to set

because they seem like it's interesting

and I say it's not.

>> It's, boring., Well,, I, it's, very, true, and

I will say one of my favorite things in

the world generally is to be not busy

around a busy person. So, I still like

to go with people to set because it's

where I'm the most at peace because I

all my cups are getting filled. I'm not

alone,

>> but, I, also, and, there's, tons, of, exposure

to people if I want it, but I can be

totally alone and not busy and just like

reading my little book somewhere and

it's fine. So, it's got this like

social, not social, privacy, all these

different things all at once. And it

feels so good to me. It's like such a

nice way to spend time with someone is

like five minutes when they have a

break. Hi, how are you? How are That was

cool. That was good. Goodbye. I'm

reading my book again. Like, it's that's

it's I love So, I think I there's

something I really love about visiting

other people on set and having visitors

on set when they feel like I do. And you

brought up the cup system and just once

again for $59.99 you too can learn

Maya's cup system.

>> It, comes, with, a, workbook.

>> There, is, a, we, do, a, in, person, you, have, to

watch seven minute video before a payw

wall. We're going to be in Reno November

15th. We're very excited. Um okay. And

then uh the the other question I wanted

to ask you is cuz you know you played

anxiety, the world is anxious, you're

really in touch with those feelings and

you take great pride and I think in

being part of like a big discussion

about it.

>> What, do, you

listen to, watch, read? How do you make

yourself laugh? Like what are you

getting where are you getting your your

Where are you getting your joy from?

>> Where, am, I, getting, my, joy, from?, Well,

recently I got a lot of joy from the

Fourthwing book series.

>> Um,, it's, fantasy., It's, like, romantasy

fantasy dragon college, basically a

dragon war college. Um, and that was my

escapism of choice. I unfortunately

>> you, said, so, many, things, just, now., Okay.

So, say again. It's called

>> The, fourth, wing, is, the, name, of, the, first

book

>> and, it, is, a, dragon, college., It's, it's, a

it's a war college for dragon riders in

a fantasy universe. It's romantic. It's

very sexy. Um uh

>> I've, been, looking, for, a, new, fantasy, is

my new um like who I never thought it

would be a genre I'm into. I'm so into

it.

>> I'm, so, into, it., I, felt, the, same, way., I'm

so into it.

>> Have, you, read, The, Name, of, the, Wind?

>> No.

>> Okay., Patrick, Rothfus.

>> Uh, R, O, T, H, F, U, Sus.

>> Rothfus., Rothfus.

>> Roth., Um, he, wrote, a, book, called, The, Name

of the Wind.

>> Okay.

>> And, it, is, um, it, is, a, a, series.

It's part of the King Killer Chronicles.

>> Um, and, it's, a, fantasy, novel, and, it's

basically just like it's just a

>> the, story, of, um, a, like, a, child, who, grows

up in an inn and how he becomes like

this kingiller. It's but it's very like

school to train to get to the thing.

>> I, love, I, give, me, a, training, sequence., I

>> make, me, into, the, person, I, was, always

meant to be.

>> I, know., I, love, it, too.

>> Force, me, to, do, it

>> and, just

>> Oh, my, gosh., I, love, that, because, what, do

you like about the fourth wing? What did

you like it just

>> Well,, there's, incredible, hardcore

training sequences. There's a very hot

um like guy who's like he's a rebel and

like maybe he's bad except obviously the

bad guys are the actually the good guys

and the good guys are the bad guys and

you have to figure that out and it's

awesome and and he like trains her cuz

he's like you their lives get wed

together spoilers. Um and like he's like

you have to live so that I can live and

so he's like do situps and she's like

okay and it really it really works for

me is all I can say. Um, and situps. Do

situps.

>> You, got, to, have, a, strong, core, if, you're

going to core.

>> Those, dragons, go, right, for, your, core.

You got to

>> Yeah., And, she's, like, stabbing, him, with

knives and he's like, "Yeah, good job.

Good job. Good job." You know, it's

amazing. Um, and

>> do, you, read, or, listen?

>> I, I I, read, those., Um,, I, I, do, a, both., I

do a lot of audio books, but I've

recently been trying to get back into

paper paper books. Um

>> and, uh,, so, that's, been, bringing, me, joy.

I watch piles of TV. I love comedy.

Recently, I loved the studio. That was

really fun.

>> So, funny., Wasn't, Hans.

>> I, mean,, the, choice,, the, saratoral

choices in that alone. But

>> they're, incredible.

>> The, way, that, character, is, so, ridiculous.

And my buddy Ike is in that who is so

great, too. That episode where he kept

getting thanked at the Golden Globes

>> and, Scott, was, thanking, him, is, just

>> extraordinary.

>> [ __ ], stupid, and, funny., Also,, the, old

school Hollywood party where Zoe Kravitz

is like, "Old school Hollywood means

there's drugs in the food." I love that

one really got me. That's not what

touching me. She was so good in that

episode. Um

yeah. So, I' I I I've been doing that. I

I

>> Do, you, Would, you, ever, like, um, I, mean,, I

guess Str You know, Stranger Things is

like it's a new It's like current

fantasy. I mean, that's fantasy. But

um,

>> would, you, ever, want, to

>> Yes., Okay.

>> Great.

>> I, don't, need, to, finish, it.

Um, because I think I think that what

I'm getting like I really don't need to

finish it because what I'm getting from

our convo today is like story

adventure, fantasy, the the kind of

bigness of life is like what energizes

you. like you're excited about the next

like you're really looking forward you

have like a really big capacity for big

swirly ideas.

>> Yeah,, I, really, love, them., I, mean, not, to

mention that like almost all of the best

fantasy is about humans banding together

to take over fascist regimes. Like it's

just a general theme

>> Yes.

>> of, um

>> of, of, fantasy, and, like, about, the, little

guy rising up. And I really and I think

that's partly why it's that as a genre

is kind of exploding right now. Like

people like romanty and fantasy people

are really it's like always at the top

of the bestseller list these days. And I

think it's because community it's always

about like a unlikely band of maniacs

and different people from different

places that find each other and come

together to try to build a new world

that works better for them than it used

to. I just want to say that like getting

the experience of talking about Inside

Out 2 with you and getting to know you

has been so great and I hope we get to

make another one.

>> I, would, really, like, I, mean, I, would, like

to do anything with you. Um that would

be so wonderful. I but I will really

hope we get to make another one cuz I

want to see more of anxiety and joy

learning how to work together.

>> I, know., And, they, have, the, same, physical

symptoms

>> and, um, they, look, they, get, things, done.

Okay.

>> They, get, things, done, and, they're

excited. Some emotions like to chill

out, lie on the couch, and those are

important, too. But anxiety and joy are

gonna like keep things moving.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah,, I, know., They, are.

>> I'm, so, happy, that, you, came, today., Joy.

I'm joyful that you came today.

>> I, was, anxious, about, it.

>> No,, I, wasn't, actually., I, was, just

excited. Thank you so much.

>> Thank, you, so, much, for, coming,, Maya., You

and love seeing you. Thank you so much.

You're the best. And I would do

something with you even with our real

flesh and blood bodies.

>> Okay., Yeah,, we, could, do, that,, too., I

mean,

>> I, prefer, animated,, but

>> Yeah., Yeah.

>> It's, just, a, lot, easier, for, me, in, terms

of

>> making, the, the, also, just, the, pajama

pants aspect.

>> But, if, you, do, make, a, fourth, wing, movie,

I will I will I will the dragon in

charge of making it. Here's here's

hoping. Here's begging the world.

>> I, will, be, I, will, I, will, uh, uh, donate, my

body to be the dragon. I will donate my

body to dragons.

>> Thank, you,, Maya, Hawk., That, was, such, a

great conversation. I loved it. And um

uh for this polar plunge uh I just want

to talk about books because we talked a

little bit about books and how they are

bringing us joy. And I want to mention

again uh a fantasy book that I love.

It's called The Name of the Wind by

Patrick Rothfus. Um eagerly awaiting the

next book, sir. So chop chop. So check

it out and um you know, get your dragons

on. You can't never have too many

dragons. But um thank you everybody for

listening to Good Hang and um bye. See

you soon.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The

executive producers for this show are

Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me

Amy Polar. The show is produced by The

Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer

production by Jack Wilson, Cat Spalain

Kaia McMullen, and Aia Xanerys. For

Paperkite production by Sam Green, Joel

Levelvel, and Jenna Weiss Berman.

Original music by Amy Miles. I ever

wanted was a really good